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00:57 pdurbin
poikilotherm: it was mentioned during the call. Notes at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/dataverse-community/CdM9ECWXjvE/FB8TmLokCAAJ "Hoping to release late this week or early next week."
00:58 pdurbin
You (all) can help be reviewing and suggesting improvements to the 4.19 release notes that are being written: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/compare/6506-4.19-release-notes
00:58 pdurbin
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11:15 poikilotherm
pdurbin I created https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/6529 , hoping to be included in 4.19 ;-)
12:03 pdurbin
poikilotherm: I just moved the associated pull request to QA but are you sure "Did you bootstrap yet?" is the right way to say it? I found that a little confusing.
12:04 poikilotherm
In K8s context this is quite clear, as there is a job called bootstrap
12:04 pdurbin
Right but what about dataverse-ansible?
12:04 poikilotherm
In classic setups, this is very unlikely to happen
12:04 pdurbin
Or someone running it manually?
12:05 poikilotherm
It will only happen when Dataverse is already online, but the metadata schemas have not been loaded yet
12:05 poikilotherm
Any suggestion for a change?
12:07 poikilotherm
I'd be ok with changing it
12:07 pdurbin
Not sure. Maybe "Retrieving dynamic Solr schema from Dataverse failed."
12:09 poikilotherm
That would be wrong, because we retrieved the data. It's just empty, so we cannot continue.
12:10 poikilotherm
OK bootstrapping is sth done in K8s. So maybe just name it... How about "Dataverse responded with empty file. When running on K8s: did you bootstrap yet?"
12:11 pdurbin
Sounds more clear to me. Do you mind making that change?
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12:22 MrK
poikilotherm: Hi, so what kind of message app do you have on your phone :P?
12:23 poikilotherm
pdurbin: sure. MrK: Telegram, Matrix/IRC , Threema
12:24 MrK
poikilotherm: I have telegram, can we use that?
12:24 poikilotherm
Oh +Twitter +RocketChat
12:24 poikilotherm
MrK: sure.
12:25 poikilotherm
But I really would like to see a conference IRC channel, too
12:25 poikilotherm
Get connected :-D
12:25 poikilotherm
pdurbin: would you mind pointing people here?
12:26 poikilotherm
MrK: my Twitter handle is @poi_ki_lo_therm, my DMs are open :-)
12:26 poikilotherm
Feel free to send me your t.me handle :-)
12:28 MrK
Sure I will send it on twitter :P.
12:29 poikilotherm
pdurbin: done
12:30 poikilotherm
MrK: Oh sorry, I did not ask if you have a Twitter account :_D
12:30 poikilotherm
I again mixed you up with Peter Kiraly. Forgive me
12:40 pdurbin
poikilotherm: I always point people here. Is that what you mean? :)
12:44 MrK
poikilotherm: No worries, I have it just dont use it
12:47 poikilotherm
pdurbin: alright. Conf channel for all :-)
12:47 poikilotherm
MrK: nice!
12:54 MrK
poikilotherm: twitter says I cant send dms to you
12:54 poikilotherm
That's strange...
12:55 poikilotherm
Meh. Had to change the setting. Again.
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14:51 pdurbin
donsizemore: mornin'. In case you missed it: "I am a HUGE fan of dataverse-ansible .. I have said many times that it is a work of art!" https://groups.google.com/d/msg/dataverse-community/LUGdHSR74Qc/eHD0HVdYCAAJ
15:10 poikilotherm
pdurbin: trying to run Dataverse on 1G of RAM
15:10 poikilotherm
Looks like it ate to many burgers to fit in tight jeans
15:10 donsizemore
@pdurbin I had a great Zoom with her yesterday — questions and answers on both sides!
15:43 poikilotherm
pdurbin: interesting. Giving the container 1g RAM but using 500MB heap instead of default 256 let's dataverse deploy successfully
15:44 pdurbin
donsizemore: fantastic!
15:44 pdurbin
poikilotherm: orly
15:45 poikilotherm
heap @ 256 is taking ages and fails with OOM errors.
15:45 pdurbin
too many burgers
15:47 pdurbin
Do you think some Quarkus would help? In about an hour, Daniel Oh is coming over to tell us about it. :) I saw his talk at DevConf. The video and slides are linked from http://wiki.greptilian.com/java/quarkus/
15:48 poikilotherm
Dunno. Modularization sounds like a better idea.
15:48 poikilotherm
Rip out stuff not everyones using
15:49 poikilotherm
Break up the monolith into a modulith
15:49 poikilotherm
No, don't go for microservices.
15:49 pdurbin
oh, I thought you meant microservices
15:49 pdurbin
now I'm not sure what you mean :)
15:49 donsizemore
you all are making me want a veggie burger.
15:50 pdurbin
and a milk shake
15:51 *Â poikilotherm
hands over burgers and shakes.
15:51 poikilotherm
That'll be 4,99 then
15:53 pdurbin
anyway, I figure a Quarkus talk couldn't hurt
15:54 pdurbin
and we're getting a free lunch
15:55 poikilotherm
https://de.slideshare.net/SpringCentral/building-better-monoliths-implementing-modulithic-applications-with-spring
15:57 pdurbin
poikilotherm: thanks, this is helping me understand what a modulith is. Can you do this with Jakarta EE?
15:57 poikilotherm
Once there is a proper modulith, it would be possible to move out some parts into separate services.
15:57 poikilotherm
Why not?
15:58 poikilotherm
It's all about architecture
15:58 pdurbin
good
15:58 pdurbin
What do you think about these slides? https://www.slideshare.net/DanielOh20/devconfus-2019quarkus-brings-serverless-to-java-developers
15:58 poikilotherm
It's about how you write and structure the software
15:59 poikilotherm
Interesting. But I don't see value in a real microservices architecture for Dataverse
15:59 poikilotherm
It would be good to pick up some paradigms
15:59 poikilotherm
We touched that when I wrote a comment about the zip file creation
15:59 pdurbin
DCM is a microservice.
16:00 poikilotherm
Maybe we should stick with "SOA"
16:00 poikilotherm
Service-oriented architecture
16:00 poikilotherm
It's kind of the middle
16:01 poikilotherm
There are some use cases (like the computing) within Dataverse that might be a good thing to do with separate services
16:02 poikilotherm
Either running on different containers or at least as differnt apps on the same appserver. Get things scalable
16:02 pdurbin
What about ingest?
16:02 poikilotherm
Sure!
16:02 poikilotherm
All the heavy resources stuff
16:03 poikilotherm
Dataverse is to some extent already leaning towards SOA. You call it integrations right now.
16:03 pdurbin
yeah
16:07 poikilotherm
On the other hand: there are already other things like JBatch
16:07 poikilotherm
That's also quite scalable ;-)
16:08 poikilotherm
Spring Batch is very mature framework... ;-)
16:10 pdurbin
I'm hoping you all can talk a lot about this stuff in Tromso.
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