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11:12 bencomp
what, no pdurbin? guess it's a bit early over there, especially after celebrating Argentina's victory...
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11:14 bencomp
oh, speak of pdurbin… ;)
11:15 pdurbin
bencomp: my kid made a flag: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/486996365243719680
11:15 bencomp
is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P4HOUuJEoPfU06-4R9xP0nRFapNyZUg5xnjYNVRvFik/edit still relevant?
11:15 bencomp
I saw.. Did you tell her the Dutch flag is supposed to be red-white-blue?
11:17 pdurbin
:)
11:17 pdurbin
bencomp: there's that doc and another. I just linked them with "see also" at the top.
11:18 pdurbin
I'm supposed to meet with someone about groups today before lunch. We'll have more.
11:18 pdurbin
There's also the class diagram we keep interating on: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/blob/master/doc/Architecture/UsersAndGroups.png
11:19 pdurbin
but our design is not final yet
11:19 pdurbin
bencomp: now would be a good time to give input! :)
11:19 bencomp
I was working on an email about various things, let me finish that quickly
11:20 bencomp
or perhaps send separate emails about our "new" Github repo and distributed user management
11:21 pdurbin
separate emails makes sense to me
11:21 pdurbin
distributed user management makes sense but the term we've been using the most is "pluggable auth"
11:22 pdurbin
bencomp: also, we'd still like to get the DANS code working with the TestShib IdP.
12:11 pdurbin
bencomp: I just read through the email you just sent: [dvn-auth] Reintroducing the Dutch Dataverse Network - https://lists.iq.harvard.edu/pipermail/dvn-auth/2014-July/000008.html
12:12 pdurbin
thanks
12:12 pdurbin
we'll change the job at https://build.hmdc.harvard.edu:8443/job/dvn36shibdans/ to build from https://github.com/DANS-KNAW/dvn rather than https://github.com/ekoi/dvn
13:21 pdurbin
LyndsySimon: Re: [sword-app-tech] Python Client Release Request - http://www.mail-archive.com/sword-app-tech@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00401.html
13:29 bencomp
is it still "before lunch" at pdurbin?
13:30 pdurbin
bencomp: yep. only 9:30. I'm waiting for https://github.com/michbarsinai to finish his meeting
13:31 bencomp
cool, then maybe you have a moment to look at the email I just sent
13:32 * pdurbin
looks at Distributed user/group/access management - Google Groups - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/dataverse-community/O4nFEzotq0U/Ju1ojDAj8zcJ
13:33 pdurbin
heh. DDNaaS
13:33 bencomp
could have been DDN = DVNaaS
13:33 bencomp
:P
13:34 pdurbin
bencomp: from that email is seems like you're well aware we're dropping "Network" from the name of the software
13:35 bencomp
I am :)
13:36 bencomp
and I get why - I have to explain how DVN is not really a network in the sense of SMTP or XMPP or IRC servers being connected
13:55 pdurbin
bencomp: right. but! we do want to allow federation or at least harvesting of metadata from different Dataverse installations
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14:02 pdurbin
bencomp: this is a long email
14:07 bencomp
pdurbin: right, and right, sorry!
14:07 * pdurbin
tries to digest it (*burp*)
14:08 * pdurbin
looks at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchiMate
14:09 pdurbin
"an open and independent enterprise architecture modeling language to support the description, analysis and visualization of architecture within and across business domains in an unambiguous way"
14:09 pdurbin
neat!
14:10 bencomp
of course ArchiMate diagrams/descriptions are never done
14:10 pdurbin
just like software
14:11 bencomp
I just talked to my colleague Ishan about our dvn repo on GitHub; he's going to delete it and fork from IQSS, then merge the changes back in
14:11 pdurbin
bencomp: honestly, I'm in such a Dataverse 4.0 mindset at the moment that I'm having trouble understanding what changes DANS has made to how DVN 3.x works. And I'm new enough to the project that I don't have a complete understanding of DVN 3.x anyway.
14:12 bencomp
I see:)
14:13 pdurbin
at a high level... for now... let's just say that when we say Dataverse 4.0 we mean a specific release that we feel like we can run in production at Harvard. I doubt it will have all these features you want... BUT! Maybe they could be added to 4.1 or 4.2 or whatever. I just don't want to make any promises about what will ship with 4.0... we already have a ton to do. Does that make sense?
14:15 bencomp
ftr, we didn't change that much code (well, I think) since we got it from UUtrecht; it's more about procedures
14:15 bencomp
yes, that makes perfect sense
14:17 pdurbin
right. UU made changes and you're building on top
14:17 pdurbin
well, I will say that having all of this detail in front of us is very helpful as we design 4.0
14:17 pdurbin
even if some of the concepts are only stubbed out and not yet implemented
14:18 bencomp
I didn't mean to say "we want THIS". it was me thinking about how we do things now, and how perhaps we could do things in the future
14:18 pdurbin
bencomp: can I copy and paste your (long) email into a Google Doc so that others can comment on it?
14:18 bencomp
yes, you cna
14:20 pdurbin
great
14:21 pdurbin
the plan is also to create a Google Doc about our pluggable auth design for people to comment on
14:21 pdurbin
before we start coding :)
14:23 bencomp
design_before_coding++
14:27 pdurbin
heh
14:27 pdurbin
bencomp: ok, here's your email as a Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JMGPtwS7gcKFNaCDIKXSea1p8iWpS7BzpwRNQscM5wQ/edit?usp=sharing
14:34 * pdurbin
replies to the Google Group with a link
15:17 bencomp
255 characters is not enough for a study's author name
15:17 bencomp
http://hdl.handle.net/10411/18814
15:32 pdurbin
bencomp: can you please see if you have the same problem at http://dataverse-demo.iq.harvard.edu ? (4.0)
15:38 bencomp
I'll see if I can tomorrow
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+1
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