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15:03 pdurbin
bencomp: the other day I worked on a bug you opened: When only empty facets are selected in non-empty dataverse, "This Dataverse currently has no Dataverses, Datasets, or Files." · Issue #1449 · IQSS/dataverse - https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/1449
15:03 pdurbin
I guess I could do a build on apitest if you want to QA it. :)
15:05 bencomp
thanks, pdurbin. If you could, that would be nice :)
15:05 pdurbin
lemme make sure the tests pass locally first
15:22 pdurbin
bencomp: ok, you can see one of the 8 new messages at https://apitest.dataverse.org/dataverse/spruce?types=dataverses for example. It's now running v. 4.0 Beta build 13 (apitest), 2015-02-25, commit c9e5ad4
15:26 pdurbin
the ticket lists the 8 possible messages
15:28 bencomp
hold on, I am docker-composing an OAI-PMH aggregator
15:29 pdurbin
sounds fancy :)
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15:30 bencomp
looks better than before :)
15:31 pdurbin
:)
15:31 pdurbin
I had help with the messaging.
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15:32 freeman_
Hello Dataverse developers and users, How goes at Harvard ? still a ton of snow on the ground ?
15:33 pdurbin
freeman_: my commute is two or three times longer than usual. so much snow and ice :(
15:33 freeman_
we are still curious as to the time frame in which DVN 4.0 will be realeased and will there be a upgrade path ?
15:33 pdurbin
there absolutely will be an upgrade path
15:33 pdurbin
bencomp: of course you have a crazy fork ;)
15:34 freeman_
pdurbin, i see. wow, New England really got hammered this year, Snowmageddon 2015 did hitted North East badly, i watched CBS frome time to time and it did say that tons of stuff remained on the ground.
15:34 freeman_
pdurbin: lol
15:35 freeman_
pdurbin: I was hoping the state of MA could use one of those giant butane ice melting devices in Boston to melt away the snow and drain it into a river. ;)
15:35 pdurbin
searchbot: lucky boston 40 foot tunnel medford bike path
15:35 searchbot
pdurbin: http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2015/02/24/Vandals-collapse-40-foot-snow-tunnel-dug-by-Mass-cyclists/3761424787153/
15:36 bencomp
pdurbin: my personal fork has seen much improvement on the Java generics front… :)
15:37 pdurbin
heh
15:37 freeman_
pdurbin: HOLY COW !! That is NUTS !!, i saw some folks in MA or maybe Boston where snow is as tall as their single family house.
15:38 freeman_
they had to dig a trench to just get out of their front door. i can imagine, this is super bad for everyone in the state of MA and its surroudings.
15:39 pdurbin
yeah
15:40 freeman_
pdurbin: ok next question, as a sys admin, i tended to like things clean and fresh like a spanking new diaper. Would it be best to install a new version of DVN 4.0 and port over the data files and meta-data instead of upgrading from 3.6.x to 4.0 ?
15:40 pdurbin
oh, are we inclusive enough in our little IRC club? check this out: Tracy Osborn on Twitter: "Do new developers (who have learned how to program in the last year or two) use and feel comfortable with IRC? Especially women?" - https://twitter.com/limedaring/status/567829946220945408
15:41 pdurbin
freeman_: our plan is to install 4.0 on a fresh new server
15:41 pdurbin
this server: https://dataverse.harvard.edu
15:42 freeman_
pdurbin: ok, this is kiind of what i was thinking, no upgrades and just port data and metadata over but a new install of the DVN system with Glassfish and postgresql and etc ( such as R) Kool.
15:42 pdurbin
shauna and skay ^^
15:46 shauna
I like IRC , but I joined it for social reasons first, and also after I'd already been programming for a while.
15:46 shauna
My enjoyment of IRC definitely varies by channel.
15:46 skay
mine too
15:47 freeman_
on the twitter article, interesting, new developers do use IRC as a resource, that is good to know.
15:47 skay
I like irc due to encountering it in the beginning as a method for group chat. it was in the days of talk
15:48 freeman_
IRC was popular and quite successful in the 90s atleast during my college days and i can see this chat application is still being used by everyone, that is a good sign
15:48 pdurbin
shauna: some channels are terrible
15:49 shauna
That's what I hear.
15:50 pdurbin
shauna: you do a great job with #openhatch
15:50 shauna
Thanks. :)
15:50 pdurbin
skay: I used `talk` back in the day :)
15:50 skay
and then there was ytalk
15:51 skay
and then zwrite
15:53 skay
pdurbin: in the twitter discussion I think Noah has a good point about a nice webui and that is how I point people to an irc room for project nights
15:53 skay
particularly since the place hosting it blocks irc ports
15:54 skay
I don't go on and on about it being irc, I give htem a bit.ly link to it, explain that it is a place where we have a chat room, and that it is helpful when you want to paste urls to share, etc.
15:55 skay
pdurbin: There is a talk by Mel Chua on edupsych stuff and she has these great sequences of slides featuring irc and other tools we all use from our points of view versus a new persons point of view
15:55 pdurbin
skay: have a link handy?
15:55 skay
pdurbin: I'm digging it up as we type
15:58 pdurbin
+1
16:03 skay
pdurbin: she's improved the talk over the years, and I had to find a slide deck with the right slides. http://www.slideshare.net/mchua/edupsych-theory-for-python-hackers-a-whirlwind-overview start at 25
16:04 skay
our view of irc would be "get help faster" and so on
16:04 skay
and then on slide 31 "we will not talk with you unless you use this strange new tool"
16:12 pdurbin
skay: I'll check it out. Thanks!
16:13 freeman_
hahaha, python hackers, i myself is considered one.
16:20 skay
freeman_: I've seen her talk at PyCanada and PyCon. I love her talks
16:24 freeman_
skay: nice, i like python since it is easy to learn, but developing code took me sometime since there is a strict guideline on readability. Nice. This person is very knowledable too in python and education
16:25 freeman_
skay: as a modern sys admi and unlike old sys admin where they used perl, i tended to become familiar with Python morethan any other langauges as far as automation. :)
16:26 skay
freeman_: which part took up the most time? learning to write readable code with python? or that what you wanted to do did not lend itself to being readable when done in python?
16:27 skay
freeman_: oh neat, I have been learning to automated code that I develop and I tend to use python tools for it
16:27 freeman_
skay: learning to write readable code was hard and certainly took me longer to get used to. I came from a C/C++/Java background.
16:27 skay
freeman_: me too, sort of. I came from c/java with some perl and tcl/tk on the wy
16:27 skay
way
16:27 freeman_
skay: where indentation was not really much of an issue. Python is the only one which it solely focused on readability which was a pain initially.
16:29 freeman_
skay: right, for anyone who has a background in C/C++/java, its a bit trickier to get used to, but this issue from python can be overcome. :)
16:29 skay
freeman_: yes, and so I am empathizing with you
16:29 freeman_
skay: likewise. :)
16:29 * skay
fistbump
16:31 freeman_
Guys , Lunch for me, be back in 2 hours. ;)
16:56 pdurbin
bencomp: I just pushed code for this feature. I'd be curious to hear your take on it: Shibboleth: persist institution name as affiliation for users · Issue #1497 · IQSS/dataverse - https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/1497
17:19 bencomp
pdurbin: are you afraid of Linked (Open) Data?
17:20 * bencomp
is about to mention LOD in reply to issue 1497
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17:26 * pdurbin
fears nothing data-related
17:26 pdurbin
bencomp: go ahead :)
17:37 bencomp
pdurbin: done :)
17:40 bencomp
However, I've been thinking that some sort of CRM integration could be useful. An organisation's website should be in the CRM, so a lookup from Dataverse or a push update from the CRM could be an alternative
17:46 pdurbin
bencomp: thanks but I don't understand this part: "could Dataverse use a L(O)D source to find an institution name for a domain name?"
17:49 bencomp
that should be read as: can you do more work and implement an 'agent' that reads from the Web of Data?
17:49 bencomp
:D
18:07 * pdurbin
likes the sound of "web of data"
18:08 bencomp
a.k.a. the Semantic Web
18:08 pdurbin
ah
18:08 * pdurbin
has heard of it
18:09 bencomp
time to go home, Firefox just crashed without even a Mac OS popup telling me it has crashed
18:09 bencomp
8 GB is just too little
18:09 bencomp
RAM , that is
18:14 pdurbin
bye!
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18:39 pdurbin
skay: lol at "We will not talk with you until you use this strange new tool" :)
18:40 skay
pdurbin: it is funny
18:40 skay
pdurbin: so... I try to talk about irc in ways to make it not seem so bizarre and strange
18:41 pdurbin
I usually just call it "chat"
18:41 skay
yeah
18:41 pdurbin
nevermind about the relay ;)
18:41 skay
or the internet
18:41 pdurbin
heh
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18:53 freeman_
pdurbin: last question: is there a supported method from DVN community where there is a script or manual method to port over data (meta-data,data files) from DVN versions 2.6.x to new Dataverse 4.0 ?
18:53 freeman_
actually, DVn versions 3.6.x not 2.6
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19:37 pdurbin
freeman_: uh. please email support
20:20 pdurbin
wow, my first crack at some internationalization. and it's not so bad :)
20:58 freeman_
pdurbin: kool will do.
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23:37 pdurbin
oh, he didn't mean 2.6
23:37 pdurbin
anyway, migration scripts are being written for 3.6
