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13:18 pdurbin
wow, quite a popular service: https://gitter.im/explore/tags/javascript,php,ruby,java,python
13:19 pdurbin
what do people here think of Gitter? balo balo JonathanNeal JonathanNeal LyndsySimon mjturk shauna sivoais skay yoh
13:20 mjturk
pdurbin: not a huge fan, but largely because in my main projects were hg partisans :) we recently tried out slack and have liked it; has a nice bidirectional IRC gateway. not FLOSS though, which is a big downside.
13:21 pdurbin
mjturk: well, we're on GitHub so we don't have the hg problem
13:21 mjturk
pdurbin: right :)
13:21 mjturk
*we're, not were
13:22 mjturk
pdurbin: i seem to recall jupyter really likes gitter?
13:22 balo
we are using slack as well. i haven't used gitter so can't share any experiences
13:22 pdurbin
dunno who that is
13:22 mjturk
pdurbin: used to be ipython
13:22 pdurbin
my biggest concern with Gitter is vendor lock in. It doesn't seem like there's a way to liberate your data: https://gitter.zendesk.com/hc/communities/200009121/questions/200884931-Export-chat-history
13:23 mjturk
pdurbin: probably the same as with slack
13:23 mjturk
pdurbin: doesn't gitter have an IRC gateway? that could be used to liberate data, perhaps?
13:23 pdurbin
with iqlogbot I own my data at http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu and http://dvn-vm1.hmdc.harvard.edu/data/mysql/
13:25 * pdurbin
gives iqlogbot a treat
13:26 yoh
pdurbin: didn't try it yet and just setup a new IRC room with buildbot hooks in, yet github -- free history forever and free private rooms ;)
13:26 yoh
mjturk: yeah -- they seems to have some IRC gateway
13:26 yoh
but 1 more app and no time will be left for actual work I am afraid ;)
13:26 pdurbin
yoh: sorry, free history forever with what service?
13:26 yoh
pdurbin: hard-drive
13:27 yoh
I run irssi under screen on my server, all logs are saved
13:27 pdurbin
yoh: oh, you log with your client (irssi)
13:27 yoh
also I use twitter and bitlbee within it to integrate with other IMs
13:27 yoh
pdurbin: yeap
13:30 pdurbin
mjturk: the thing about Slack is that you can't lurk on public conversation like you can at https://gitter.im/iojs/io.js or wherever. Sometimes it's nice to have some transparency in your open source community.
13:30 pdurbin
balo: right? you said you use Slack
13:32 balo
yeah but afaik there are public channels. i heard about some projects started to use it instead of irc because it's the new hot stuff
13:32 balo
but we have only private channels
13:33 yoh
09:32 [gitter] --- Connecting to irc.gitter.im (107.23.228.38) on port 6667
13:33 yoh
09:32 [gitter] --- Server: Connection to irc.gitter.im established
13:33 yoh
09:32 [gitter] --- Server: Connection lost to irc.gitter.im
13:33 yoh
so IRC didn't work out for me
13:33 yoh
so may be some time I will reconsider
13:41 pdurbin
yoh: I'd be interested in trying an IRC gateway to Gitter. Hmm. I wonder if I could have both. Both this channel on freenode and a public Gitter room. And have all the messages in both places.
13:44 yoh
pdurbin: I doubt they have made two-way syncing of some kind... but I could be proven wrong
13:54 skay
pdurbin: I haven't tried it out. I'm not sure I'd want to pick up yet another service
13:55 skay
pdurbin: I've used bittlbee for twitter before but not lately. it's a bit of a flood and I never keep up with it
13:55 skay
pdurbin: I suppose gtalk will not have bitlbee support soon since they are getting rid of xmpp
13:55 skay
I started trying out telagraphy yesterday because it is used on the ubuntu phone
13:56 skay
I don't have one, but there is an android client
13:57 skay
pdurbin: having something really popular that integrates with your project on github might make it easier for new user/developers talk to you. I guess that would be an advantage over irc :/
13:59 pdurbin
yeah
14:00 JonathanNeal
gitter...
14:01 pdurbin
JonathanNeal: yeah
14:19 JonathanNeal
The chat client? I haven’t tried it yet. Have you?
14:22 pdurbin
nope. it's a client and server. a chat system
14:22 pdurbin
seems nice
14:22 pdurbin
with the caveat above about data liberation
14:44 LyndsySimon
pdurbin: I've never used Gitter. It kinda seems like a solution in search of a problem to me, though. There are numerous chat and workflow tools out there these days, and one tied directly to Github seems a bit gimmicky.
14:45 LyndsySimon
That said, some of the features are very interesting :) Particularly autocompletion of Github ID, issues, and the like.
14:45 pdurbin
LyndsySimon: did see the first link I sent? Lots of projects using it.
14:49 LyndsySimon
pdurbin: Yeah, I did. I'm not sure what the barrier is to "using it", though. A lot of projects based off GitHub dynamically create things fro public repos. For example, waffle.io
14:51 LyndsySimon
For instance: the kivy gitter hasn't been used in months: https://gitter.im/gouzouni/kivy?source=explore
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14:57 pdurbin
LyndsySimon: sorry, what about https://waffle.io ?
15:18 mjturk
pdurbin: i *completely* agree, which is something i am concerned about... in fact, transparency is a *huge* part of what we do, and one of the things i am the most worried about with a possible transition like that.
15:20 pdurbin
oh, well no need to worry
15:20 pdurbin
:)
15:21 pdurbin
mjturk: nothing is changing :)
15:31 pdurbin
I'm just thinking out loud, as usual. :)
15:33 mjturk
pdurbin: i meant for the community i mostly participate in that's testing out slack ;-)
15:36 pdurbin
mjturk: ah. sorry, not sure which community you mean
15:38 pdurbin
but certainly lots of communities are excited about Slack
16:12 * skay
is currently trying out telegram.org because of hearing work gossip about it
16:13 skay
it involves a phone, so probably people wouldn't want to use it for projects that don't involve phones
16:17 * pdurbin
doesn't even have a desk phone
16:19 * pdurbin
looks at https://telegram.org
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16:49 bnvk
greetings people of Harvard, I come from the land of #opensourcedesign
16:50 pdurbin
bnvk: ah, you must have seen the link I dropped at https://botbot.me/freenode/opensourcedesign/2015-03-20/?msg=34629051&page=1 :) welcome!
16:52 bnvk
yes, that was the link- thanks pdurbin ;)
16:52 bnvk
it seems you all are talking a lot about how to get a more slack like experience, but also still using IRC
16:53 bnvk
this is an idea that seems to keep popping up again and again
16:53 pdurbin
meh, kinda
16:53 bnvk
meh?
16:53 pdurbin
I'm the only Datavers developer who hangs out here most days. I created the channel and run iqlogbot to log it.
16:53 pdurbin
Dataverse*
16:54 pdurbin
and I love all the people who hang out here!
16:54 * pdurbin
kisses everyone
16:54 bnvk
ah, okie
16:54 pdurbin
but I worry that IRC is too weird for people join
16:54 bnvk
yes, it probably is
16:55 pdurbin
and internally I think we have a need for private chat. we currently use gchat/hangouts a bit for this
16:55 pdurbin
within the Dataverse dev team I mean
16:55 pdurbin
but for public stuff I think it makes sense to stick for IRC for now
17:01 bnvk
yah, both private and public chat are neded
17:02 bnvk
ideally it could / should all happen in the same client
17:04 bnvk
anywho, i'd love to figure out a way to allocate some funding towards improving + threading together these IRC cleints tools
17:05 bnvk
if anyone in this room has ideas for that, I'd love to hear them
17:07 pdurbin
bnvk: another place where people talk about this stuff all the time (including today) is #crimsonfu: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2015-03-20 (which I also started and arranged logging for)
17:21 pdurbin
here we're more about sharing, archiving and citing research data http://dataverse.org :)
17:24 pdurbin
I *am* kind of shopping around for alternatives to mailing lists for http://community.dataverse.org/community-groups/auth.html though.
17:25 pdurbin
being a co-coordinator and all
17:26 bnvk
yah, mailing lists are another thing ripe for HUGE improvement
17:26 bnvk
I had been hoping to achieve a bit of that with Mailpile... but backend engineering hangups...
17:26 bnvk
and funding is tricky
17:28 pdurbin
meh (sorry, meh is from The Simpsons), it's almost free to run iqlogbot, my logging bot. provides a nice alternative to mailing lists
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22:41 sivoais
I have the same opinion as others. I prefer open protocols if I can. I'll begrudgingly use non-open services if there is a network effect.
22:53 Guest48138
<sivoais> what is your major ?
22:54 sivoais
Guest48138: meant to send that as a PM? :-P
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