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00:11 pameyer
pdurbin: I'd been thinking suggestions; wouldn't have though of doing postmortem feedback for rewriting while it's being rewritten
00:11 pameyer
sorry I missed the jq sub issue
00:28 pdurbin
pameyer: I didn't put the titles of the subissues in. you would have gotten extra credit for noticing :)
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07:08 bencomp
pdurbin: woohoo! great start!
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10:58 pdurbin
bencomp: thanks. I need the encouragement. It's a bit of a slog. I left some more comments on the google doc you started.
10:59 pdurbin
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GLky44JbtCNhGuavLXGEP8WPNdjbyHNxalEGjR78MaA/edit?usp=sharing
11:00 pdurbin
meanwhile... Philip Durbin on Twitter: "Wow. Am I aiding and abetting #researchparasites through my contributions to @dataverseorg ?" - https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/690488308024098816
11:03 pdurbin
see Data Sharing — NEJM - http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe1516564 via https://twitter.com/NEJM/status/689935544894279681 for what https://twitter.com/hashtag/researchparasites is about
11:03 pdurbin
balo bencomp bricas jeffspies___ JonathanNeal LyndsySimon mjturk pameyer petrichor shauna sivoais skay yoh ^^
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12:18 pdurbin
heh: https://twitter.com/martibartfast/status/690503478813261824
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13:17 sivoais
I was about to say this: "parasitism is a type of symbiosis" <https://twitter.com/glynntastic/status/689985880401022976 >
14:30 pdurbin
:)
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14:41 pdurbin
bencomp: what did you have in mind with "architecture of the application"?
14:42 pdurbin
dcoloma: hi! welcome
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15:16 bencomp
pdurbin: something like the diagram that you put in the new doc (the application and its environment), but also, or perhaps even primarily, some description of components in the application
15:18 bencomp
e.g. JSF and API components, business logic beans, JPA component, PID handling, to name a few
15:18 pdurbin
bencomp: by components do you mean "Solr" or do you mean "search index"? I assume you mean subsystems like "search index" or "ingest service". Some of these may not have the best names.
15:20 bencomp
I'm thinking of 'subsystems that provide certain functionality to/within the application'
15:20 pdurbin
bencomp: I don't think I want to mention beans. That dev guide territory. Same with JPA and JSF. Sysadmins shouldn't need to worry about this stuff.
15:21 pdurbin
I wonder what "Data/Service Component" means: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2330#issuecomment-164778828
15:23 bencomp
hmm, I need to think about it some more - I'm working on something else now
15:24 pdurbin
sure. I don't want to get hung up on it anyway
15:25 pdurbin
maybe I should think about it in terms of which processes are running
15:25 bencomp
there are always other ways to look at things :)
15:25 pdurbin
yeah
15:26 bencomp
Q to keep you busy while I do other things: who needs to understand your architecture?
15:27 pdurbin
buh, dunno. it was your idea, bencomp :)
15:27 pdurbin
sysadmins need to be aware of the moving parts
15:27 pdurbin
restart this service, etc
15:30 shauna
pdurbin: thanks for the link, although it's a bit depressing
15:30 pdurbin
shauna: yeah. a little tone deaf
15:31 shauna
sounds a bit like dan gilbert's "second rate researchers" although at least they didn't call open scientists jihadists?
15:32 shauna
I do understand their perspective - within the scientific institutions that we have currently, sharing data and methods openly and pushing to check them can be threatening.
15:32 shauna
I just wish they'd turn their fear and frustration on the institutions, not on the reformers.
15:33 pdurbin
I'd call the enemy "bad science".
15:35 shauna
Sure, but that's a pretty vague enemy. There are specific practices that powerful institutions perpetuate that create bad science.
15:35 shauna
The powerful institutions aren't themselves an enemy, of course.
15:51 dcoloma
pdurbin: hi!, thanks!
15:53 pdurbin
dcoloma: if you're installing Dataverse I've been asking folks on feedback on some docs I'm writing
15:53 pdurbin
http://dvn-vm1.hmdc.harvard.edu/tmp/issues/2884/build/html/installation/prep.html
16:00 dcoloma
pdurbin: good to know, I've just installed an instance following the previous guidelines
16:00 pdurbin
oh good
16:00 pdurbin
off to a standup
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18:07 pdurbin
dcoloma: if you have any feedback on the installation process, I'm all ears. I'm working on https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2884
18:20 dcoloma
pdurbin: ok, what's your preferred way for getting feedback? GH issues?
18:20 pdurbin
dcoloma: whatever works for you. I'm here now if you want to mention anything top of mind.
18:27 dcoloma
pdurbin: it's getting a bit late here. I took some notes, so let me make them a bit meaningful before I share them with you
18:28 pdurbin
dcoloma: sure! No rush. You can pastebin them or whatever. Or post it on https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/dataverse-community
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20:46 pdurbin
can't. let. perfect. be. enemy. of. good.
20:46 pdurbin
bencomp pameyer I think I'm gonna push what I got. get feedback. jenkins builds
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20:48 bencomp
pdurbin: perfect is the enemy of "good enough" :)
20:49 pdurbin
what I have isn't good enough but it's better
20:49 pdurbin
(I think)
20:49 bencomp
it can hardly be worse after giving it more thought :)
20:50 pdurbin
I can't believe vim considers "sysadmins" to be a typo.
20:50 bencomp
lol
21:04 bencomp
just finished watching a CNI presentation about the OSF and University of Notre Dame's use and extensions. I'm impressed - knew osf.io already, but the integrations are cool
21:04 pdurbin
bencomp: you know about https://osf.io/getting-started/#dataverse right?
21:04 bencomp
of course
21:05 pdurbin
:)
21:05 bencomp
just heard a mention of http://www.switchproject.eu/
21:05 bencomp
and especially the Umbrella project was cool, although I can't seem to find the right URL
21:06 pdurbin
some cloud thing :)
21:06 pdurbin
Software Workbench for Interactive, Time Critical and Highly self-adaptive Cloud applications!
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21:09 bencomp
I expected at least a mention at http://ccl.cse.nd.edu/software/
21:09 bencomp
have you heard of Parrot, pdurbin? "Parrot is a transparent user-level virtual filesystem that allows any ordinary program to be attached to many different remote storage systems, including HDFS, iRODS, Chirp, and FTP . "
21:11 pdurbin
I thought Parrot was the Perl 6 VM .
21:12 bencomp
it used to be a Bluetooth hands free set for use in cars :P
21:12 bencomp
or maybe still is
21:16 pdurbin
dunno
21:23 sivoais
pdurbin: Parrot is the old Perl 6 VM . The new one is MoarVM (and the JVM ).
21:24 sivoais
bencomp: I saw that Parrot FS as I was working on understanding the state of scientific software archival/reproducibility
21:24 sivoais
It's very cool research
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21:25 sivoais
Is this what you watched? : <https://www.cni.org/topics/scholarly-communication/the-open-science-framework-osf-at-notre-dame-connecting-the-workflow-and-supporting-the-research-mission >
21:26 bencomp
sivoais: yes!
21:26 sivoais
I'll watch it when I get home :-D
21:30 pdurbin
sivoais: ah. ok. thanks
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21:33 sivoais
Parrot VM still exists, it just isn't a major target of Rakudo (the main Perl 6 compiler)
21:33 bencomp
well, for software that should aid preservation, it's not well preserved - dead links from a blog post published last October :S
21:34 bencomp
I found it anyway: https://github.com/crcresearch/daspos-umbrella
21:35 bencomp
http://cclnd.blogspot.nl/2015/10/haiyan-worked-together-with-alexander.html is the blog post
21:35 pdurbin
sivoais: I'm not even sure if Perl 6 shipped at Christmas like it was supposed to but let's pick this up in #sourcefu. :)
21:36 sivoais
hehe, sure thing
21:36 * sivoais
checks out the links
21:43 * pdurbin
tries to get sivoais's attention: http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2016-01-22 :)
21:43 * pdurbin
tries to get people excited about docs: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/dataverse-community/qujUFJDYXG0/aLGEnydbAgAJ
21:44 pdurbin
heading out. have a good weekend everyone!
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22:01 pameyer
pdurbin: I'm excited about better docs. and agree w\ bencomp - better is better
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