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00:22 pdurbin
iamtimmo: hi! welcome!
01:28 iamtimmo
hi pdurbin. Hasn’t your day ended yet?
01:29 pdurbin
it has
01:31 iamtimmo
Good! Hope you’re relaxing then. Just getting myself reconnected with DV communication channels.
01:32 pdurbin
I'd be more relaxed if the kids were asleep already.
01:33 iamtimmo
Play with them. :-)
01:33 pdurbin
yeah. story time
01:34 iamtimmo
enjoy! I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees…
01:56 pdurbin
yeah, that's a good one
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03:01 adam_____
and here i am
03:01 adam_____
old skool. havent used irc for a while :)
03:02 pdurbin
adam_____: I set up a friendly interface for newbies: http://chat.dataverse.org :)
03:02 adam_____
nice!
03:02 adam_____
i love irc but recently been very much enjoying mattermost
03:02 pdurbin
adam_____: so you're into good product design? https://botbot.me/freenode/opensourcedesign/msg/59725193/
03:03 adam_____
im into that yes, and also building a model that can work for other oss projects to enable good product design
03:03 adam_____
eg http://www.adamhyde.net/leadership-diversity-and-sector-change-in-open-source/
03:04 adam_____
im not just after good product design im looking to work with people to change OSS so it workds better for user facing products
03:04 adam_____
i believe in this case OSS culture is broken
03:05 pdurbin
well, #opensourcedesign is a great place to hang out
03:06 pdurbin
good find. if you find other places, please let me know :)
03:06 adam_____
there are a few
03:06 adam_____
and some good thinkers http://mushon.com/
03:08 adam_____
but mostly i see projects struggling to argue for more design in oss user facing products
03:08 pdurbin
with our recent rewrite we emphasized UX and usability: http://datascience.iq.harvard.edu/uxworkflows-upgrade-40
03:09 pdurbin
hmm, I'll have to check out http://mushon.com/blog/2015/06/15/data-stories-podcast-55-with-me/ ... I'm an occasional listener
03:09 adam_____
yeah. hes a good chap
03:09 adam_____
wrote a lot about collaborative design processes
03:10 adam_____
also, http://opendesignnow.org/
03:10 adam_____
http://openusability.org/
03:10 adam_____
http://opendesign.foundation/
03:11 adam_____
https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/09/the-case-for-open-source-design-can-design-by-committee-work/
03:11 adam_____
(by Mushon)
03:14 pdurbin
adam_____: I'm still reading your sector change post :)
03:14 adam_____
:)
03:17 pdurbin
adam_____: typo. should say "John's case"
03:17 adam_____
:)
03:17 adam_____
thanks
03:17 adam_____
there will be lots. a friend will clean it up soon i think
03:17 pdurbin
iamtimmo: isn't this relaxing? :)
03:31 pdurbin
adam_____: nice article
03:31 adam_____
thanks
03:31 adam_____
im now doing research into how to improve open source models
03:32 adam_____
looking into software development lifecycles and oss and working out where it all went wrong
03:32 pdurbin
at https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/blob/develop/CONTRIBUTING.md we try to emphasize that we are interested in ideas as well as code :)
03:32 adam_____
( dont read this, just a bucket for those embryonic thoughts. working on it in the next dats http://www.adamhyde.net/collaborative-product-development/)
03:32 adam_____
yeah
03:33 adam_____
i think thats cool
03:33 adam_____
but it comes also down to culture, tools, processes the whole shebang i think
03:34 adam_____
so, i was looking for people to work on ux that would work also to help us build a designer culture into our projects
03:34 adam_____
which is why i popped into opensourcedesign
03:35 pdurbin
cool. I think you'll find some good eggs in there. you could also make a pull request against https://github.com/opensourcedesign/jobs
03:36 adam_____
so its active, the community
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03:39 pdurbin
yep
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03:39 adam_____
cool
03:40 pdurbin
lots of Europeans who are probably asleep by now... and I'm drifting off
03:40 adam_____
heh
03:40 adam_____
yeah
03:40 adam_____
ok, really nice meeting u
03:40 adam_____
will be back :)
03:40 adam_____
thanks for the tips
03:40 pdurbin
likewise
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14:00 bencomp
pdurbin: if I added classes in Dataverse that are JPA entities, is it normal that the JPA connector does not create the corresponding tables during deployment?
14:03 pdurbin
bencomp: did you undeploy and then redeploy?
14:04 bencomp
I didn't create them myself, let me ask Eko. I think he might have redeployed
14:05 bencomp
pdurbin: if you undeploy and redeploy, it should work automatically?
14:06 pdurbin
should
14:06 pdurbin
you're talking about a whole new class, right?
14:07 pdurbin
if you're adding columns to an existing table, you'll need to write a migration script
14:09 bencomp
yes, a whole new class
14:09 bencomp
I remembered there being a migration script
14:10 bencomp
thanks
14:10 pdurbin
sure. we don't bother writing migration scripts for new classes
14:10 pdurbin
we instruct everyone to undeploy and then deploy the new war file
14:13 pdurbin
bencomp: it looks like other projects have received that email I forwarded to you: Re: Code Quality Improvements for gremlin - https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@tinkerpop.incubator.apache.org/msg07136.html
14:17 pdurbin
Daniel Dietrich on Twitter: "who else got mail from devfactory?" - https://twitter.com/danieldietrich/status/684857010068807685
14:17 bencomp
hehe
14:18 pdurbin
bencomp: why do we need devfactory? we have you! :)
14:19 pdurbin
bencomp: so I created this issue yesterday: Shibboleth: Remote Authentication Phase 1 · Issue #2939 · IQSS/dataverse - https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2939
14:19 pdurbin
bencomp: do you plan to run in "shib only" mode? or will you have a mix of shib and builtin/local users?
14:21 bencomp
pdurbin: I convinced our partners that it's okay to have external users register builtin/local accounts, because by default they wouldn't get any role - interesting roles are reserved for partners' users
14:22 pdurbin
bencomp: does that mean you're potentially interested in this? Shibboleth: Add superuser API endpoint to migrate Shib user to builtin/local account · Issue #2915 · IQSS/dataverse - https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2915
14:24 bencomp
but if it's available, we might decide to not open up registration for anyone
14:25 pdurbin
so you'll need a fix for this: Local account creation URL ignores :AllowSignup · Issue #2838 · IQSS/dataverse - https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2838
14:25 bencomp
we *might*
14:25 bencomp
:)
14:25 pdurbin
at least two installations will need that fix
14:26 pdurbin
sounds like maybe three :)
14:26 bencomp
it is one of the things we (or rather the former DataverseNL provider) cut out of DVN
14:27 bencomp
(the possibility to sign up for a local account, that is)
14:27 bencomp
or tried to :/
14:29 pdurbin
yeah, pretty common configuration, I think
14:29 pdurbin
"no local accounts"
14:29 bencomp
it wasn't trivial in DVN, AFAIK
14:30 pdurbin
I believe it.
14:52 * iamtimmo
pdurbin: Quick clarifying question: What is the latest 4.x release to which I can directly migrate from 3.6.2?
14:52 * iamtimmo
The instructions here mention 4.0: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/blob/4.2.3/scripts/migration/migration_instructions.txt
14:52 * iamtimmo
These mention 4.02: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JJks0PCHK16iFZJlUmLxjmiA4QWTpa8JvR4l4JT2xfU
14:52 * iamtimmo
These mention 4.1 w/ some 4.0’s sprinkled through the text: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NAuMn6wfgkNJPnJTnoq-EPW24vCzRkOYtq8pLJlKJbE
14:53 pdurbin
iamtimmo: you have to do all the upgrades in between: http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.2.4/installation/upgrading.html
14:54 pdurbin
you migrate to 4.0, then upgrade to 4.0.1, then 4.1 then 4.2 etc at https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/releases
14:55 * iamtimmo
pdurbin: Understood. Just want to know which 4.x release I can hop to directly before doing all the in-between migrations.
14:55 pdurbin
from what I understand you have to migrate to 4.0
14:55 * iamtimmo
okay. then these instructions should probably be corrected: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NAuMn6wfgkNJPnJTnoq-EPW24vCzRkOYtq8pLJlKJbE
14:55 pdurbin
iamtimmo: you *might* consider sending us your database and we'll migrate it for you
14:56 pdurbin
iamtimmo: where is that linked from?
14:57 * iamtimmo
pdurbin: Kevin sent them to me back in November in response to support request regarding migration
14:58 pdurbin
oh. ok. do you have an open ticket tracking this?
14:58 * iamtimmo
#229533
14:58 * iamtimmo
https://help.hmdc.harvard.edu/Ticket/Display.html?id=229533
14:58 pdurbin
thanks for the link
14:59 pdurbin
iamtimmo: actually that issue was marked resolve in November so the first step would be to reply to the email which will open it back up
15:00 * iamtimmo
from that response, I have multiple sources of migration doco that don’t entirely agree with each other, thus the clarifying question, though not as quick as I thought it would be ;-)
15:00 pdurbin
iamtimmo: hey, I don't believe you're on the map at http://dataverse.org . Do you want to be?
15:02 * iamtimmo
pdurbin: I’m Tim DiLauro at Johns Hopkins University. Technically, we are not on the map because the map says “John”, rather than “Johns”.
15:02 pdurbin
whoops! you are on the map. I know who you are :)
15:02 pdurbin
ok, so https://archive.data.jhu.edu/dvn/ cool
15:03 * iamtimmo
pdurbin: Of course you do. I am Timmo!
15:03 pdurbin
heh
15:04 pdurbin
it's like how my nieces were upset with me once... "I know your cat's name!"
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15:06 * iamtimmo
You forgot the evil laugh\
15:06 pdurbin
:)
15:07 pdurbin
iamtimmo: I put a reminder here: https://trello.com/c/tEqcyLER/24-fix-john-hopkins-on-map
15:07 * iamtimmo
pdurbin: thanks!
15:08 pdurbin
oh sure
15:11 pdurbin
iamtimmo: in our spreadsheet I moved you from trial to production :)
15:12 * iamtimmo
pdurbin: cool! We’ve been up and running for a couple of years. Freeman Lo was our previous contact. I’m the main contact now.
15:13 pdurbin
ah, I think I've seen Freeman's name
15:17 pdurbin
iamtimmo: there are a bunch of open issues around migration: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/labels/Component%3A%20Migration
15:19 pdurbin
iamtimmo: when you reply to that ticket to reopen it, you are welcome to drop a hint that maybe we could migrate your database for you. If you're into that.
15:20 * iamtimmo
pdurbin: Yeah, I saw those. I was paying the most attention to this one: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2462
15:21 * iamtimmo
I don’t think the migration process will be too onerous. I’m doing the initial migration so that our RDM team can evaluate DV 4.
15:22 * iamtimmo
We have a couple of concerns especially around branding and migration from fake Handles to real DOIs that already exist.
15:23 pdurbin
hmm. ok
15:23 pdurbin
well, I don't personally know much about migration. Re-opening the ticket and asking questions there would be best. Not that I mind reading what the issues are! :)
15:24 pdurbin
iamtimmo: map is fixed: http://dataverse.org
15:24 * iamtimmo
pdurbin: Noice!
15:25 pdurbin
heh
15:25 * iamtimmo
Branding-wise, we need something that looks like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dn6war7mzqlinsk/Screenshot%202016-02-08%2016.55.25.png?dl=0
15:25 pdurbin
iamtimmo: do you keep typing `/me foo bar`? you're "emoting* at lot from the IRC perspective :)
15:26 pdurbin
iamtimmo: did you have to change the code to get that look and feel?
15:27 * iamtimmo
No, I’m not, but I don’t know what my IRC client is doing. It’s Colloquy.
15:27 pdurbin
heh. don't worry about it
15:27 iamtimmo
Just changed a setting. This better?
15:27 iamtimmo
Yes, yes it is!
15:28 pdurbin
much better :)
15:28 pdurbin
not to be an IRC snob
15:28 pdurbin
you can use /me in gtalk and other places too. slack, probably
15:30 pdurbin
for all your emoting needs
15:34 iamtimmo
pdurbin: Back to branding… Okay, so yes. I changed Bundle.properties to hold some configuration for the instance branding banner and to add an instanceName parameter to deal with an issue reported by bencomp (https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2003); modified dataverse_header.xhtml to use the instanceName on the left top navbar; modified to dataverse_template.xhtml to conditionally ui:include my instance branding c
15:34 iamtimmo
(instance_header.xhtml and/or instance_footer.xhtml).
15:35 pdurbin
iamtimmo: if you had to change the bundle to do what you want, you should probably leave a comment to that effect on the issue. I'd also upload your screenshot.
15:35 iamtimmo
My instance_header.xhtml also overrides some of the css for other existing components.
15:36 iamtimmo
pdurbin: I didn’t have to change the bundle, that’s just how I decided to deal with it for now.
15:36 pdurbin
iamtimmo: sorry, I mean any code change. such as that xhtml file
15:37 iamtimmo
I needed to prove to our team that we could *somehow* manage branding. Once we get migrated and I can hand off to the team for consideration, I’d like to come back to the DV community to figure out the right (or best) way to actually accomplish what we need.
15:38 pdurbin
ah, ok
15:38 pdurbin
well, that issue is the one to rally around
15:38 iamtimmo
Right now, I just have a bunch of patches that I would apply.
15:40 iamtimmo
I’m not a css or jsf/jstl guru, but I’ve gotten past the worst of that now. On to migration, so that our folks can see what DV 4.x can do!
15:40 pdurbin
cool that you're in the code
15:41 iamtimmo
yeah, fun. but I’m not a java dev (or really a dev at all anymore).
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18:50 pdurbin
bencomp: which of these branches is your favorite? https://github.com/bencomp/dataverse/branches
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22:48 Topic for #dataverse is now Dataverse: http://dataverse.org | logs at http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dataverse/today
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22:57 majest1c
Someone who's studying at Harvard?
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23:09 pdurbin
majest1c: hmm? who?
23:10 majest1c
pdurbin That is what I am wondering.
