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10:04 romainM
hello world
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11:25 pdurbin
romainM: hi
11:26 pdurbin
jri: welcome back
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12:21 romainM
hey pdurbin, long time no see !
12:24 romainM
I have some questions for you about dataverse, tell me if you're available :)
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13:45 bencomp
exciting, 15 minutes to the developers' call!
13:55 pdurbin
bencomp: congrats on the merges!
13:55 pdurbin
romainM: shoot
14:14 romainM
ok
14:14 romainM
I've noticed that the "Terms of Access" field doesn't allowed line breaks
14:14 romainM
is it intended ?
14:15 pdurbin
romainM: you should be able to add line breaks by using HTML
14:15 romainM
html is interpreted in fields ? if that's it, ok, I'm gonna try
14:16 pdurbin
cool. should work
14:16 romainM
ok it works
14:16 pdurbin
\o/
14:16 romainM
well, first easy point
14:16 bencomp
my phone speaker quality is not so great
14:17 pdurbin
bencomp: we can hear you. don't worry
14:17 romainM
an other question, concerning facets
14:17 bencomp
we didn't get the numbers of megabytes
14:17 pdurbin
romainM: bencomp and I are on this call. you might want to join the next one: March 1st Dataverse Development Community Call - Google Groups - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/dataverse-community/9bbeW4F500E
14:18 romainM
yup, I saw that, but wasn't a good timing for me unfortunatly (just returned from a short vacation time and got multiple tasks to do :S)
14:18 romainM
but I'll try to be there for the next one :)
14:19 pdurbin
ok. what's your facets question?
14:19 romainM
I've noticed the fields "dateOfCollectionStart" and "dateOfCollectionEnd" are not available
14:19 romainM
but some other "datestart" and "dateend" data types are allowed
14:19 romainM
(timePeriod, for example)
14:19 romainM
(which got a start and end date)
14:20 romainM
(dataset date range too, start and end date)
14:20 romainM
intended or forgotten ?
14:21 pdurbin
romainM: you seem to be asking about the "facetable" column (true or false) at https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/blob/v4.2.4/scripts/api/data/metadatablocks/citation.tsv
14:22 pdurbin
"facetable" is what controls if you can facet on a field or not
14:22 pdurbin
you wouldn't want to facet on "description" for example
14:22 romainM
oh
14:22 romainM
didn't know that
14:22 pdurbin
I don't know that this is documented.
14:22 romainM
then that's exactly the kind of amazing stuff I was expecting on dataverse
14:22 romainM
ty :)
14:23 pdurbin
romainM: I wouldn't recommend changing those booleans though...
14:23 romainM
ah ?
14:23 pdurbin
please open an issue if you'd like the boolean to change
14:24 romainM
ok, I'll open it
14:24 romainM
but first, I'll try to have the complete list of eventual datas my users will need
14:24 pdurbin
right
14:25 pdurbin
we want the community to work with us if the community wants a new metadata block
14:25 romainM
(so it won't be today, or even this week, but I keep the idea in my head)
14:26 romainM
we have nearly finished our metadatas template
14:26 pdurbin
cool
14:26 romainM
it seems we have everything needed on dataverse
14:27 pdurbin
music to my ears
14:27 romainM
the last question concerns the general ... view (?) of datasets
14:28 romainM
is there a way to "custom" the datas we want to "show" when datasets are listing on the search view ?
14:28 romainM
(like the facets, maybe ?)
14:28 romainM
tried to find that, but no way for now :(
14:28 pdurbin
romainM: you want to show datasets from a certain range of dates?
14:29 romainM
hum
14:29 romainM
no
14:29 romainM
the users want to know if the IdRef could be displayed along with the dataset title, etc
14:30 romainM
when you see the datasets results
14:30 romainM
maybe a screen would help my speech ? :D
14:30 pdurbin
romainM: I'm sorry, I read "datas" as "dates".
14:30 romainM
understandable
14:30 romainM
:)
14:31 romainM
for now, we can see the title, date of publication, author and some other infos with the "resume" of datasets
14:31 pdurbin
romainM: maybe you point to an example at https://dataverse.harvard.edu or https://demo.dataverse.org
14:31 romainM
users wanted to add this data
14:31 romainM
ah
14:32 romainM
just look at the main page
14:32 romainM
where datasets are displayed
14:32 pdurbin
romainM: I'm wondering if you mean the "cards" from the *dataverse*/*browse/search* page or if you mean the dataset page itself
14:32 romainM
nono, just the general view
14:32 romainM
of the search results
14:32 pdurbin
it sounds like you're talking about what we call "cards" ... the search results
14:32 romainM
you got some metadatas shown for the datasets
14:32 romainM
hum
14:32 romainM
got a doubt now
14:33 romainM
wait, gonna picture it
14:34 pdurbin
I'm not sure what an IdRef is.
14:35 pdurbin
searchbot: lucky IdRef
14:35 searchbot
pdurbin: http://books.xmlschemata.org/relaxng/ch19-77159.html
14:36 pdurbin
romainM: is IDRef a DDI thing?
14:36 bencomp
no, an XML thing
14:36 romainM
hum
14:36 bencomp
afaik
14:36 romainM
maybe I'm talking about the wrong field name
14:37 romainM
sorry
14:37 romainM
the author identifier
14:37 pdurbin
oh, oh. ORCID id?
14:37 pdurbin
hmm, I think we support multiple
14:38 romainM
yes, this
14:38 romainM
(sorry, they wrote idref in my mail, so I just said that, my bad)
14:38 romainM
(I should never trust them !)
14:38 pdurbin
ORCID, ISNI, LCNA
14:38 romainM
the request was to know if it was possible to display the author id along with the author name
14:39 pdurbin
in the card
14:39 romainM
in the dataset search results resume
14:39 romainM
if you call this a card, yes
14:39 pdurbin
:)
14:39 romainM
I'm not sure if card is the right word :S
14:40 pdurbin
romainM: if you include a screenshot with a github issue it would help a lot
14:40 pdurbin
or you can email the suggestion to the google group
14:40 romainM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4VcIiZlqh0GRU9uZE5OQzdEWXM/view?usp=sharing
14:40 romainM
this must be more accurate
14:41 romainM
(dat paint skill)
14:41 pdurbin
heh
14:41 pdurbin
romainM: that blue part is the citation
14:42 pdurbin
romainM: here's more about the citation: http://dataverse.org/best-practices/academic-credit
14:42 pdurbin
which links to http://best-practices.dataverse.org/data-citation/
14:43 pdurbin
bencomp: thanks to your pull requests our code coverage is going up! https://coveralls.io/github/IQSS/dataverse?branch=develop
14:45 romainM
ok, gonna read that, thanks
14:45 pdurbin
romainM: I'm just trying to say that the blue part is special
14:45 romainM
yep, it's a standard so ... not very custom
14:46 romainM
that's it ?
14:46 romainM
*customizable
14:47 pdurbin
well, maybe you could say the citation is based on "best practices" or something. some thought has gone into the format of the citation. I'm not sure it's actually a standard. I'd ask on the mailing list since this isn't my area.
14:47 romainM
ok
14:48 romainM
so that's not a "permanent" thing, and may be changed if enough people want to do so etc
14:48 romainM
I think I get it
14:48 pdurbin
I think.
14:48 pdurbin
Again, I'm not the expert in this area.
14:48 romainM
I'll wait for their answer then
14:49 romainM
I'm not too
14:49 pdurbin
romainM: you are welcome to propose changes to the cards in general.
14:49 romainM
ok, so the "whole" thing is a card then
14:49 romainM
good to know :D
14:49 pdurbin
yeah
14:50 pdurbin
romainM: I guess they're called "result cards": http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.2.4/user/find-use-data.html
14:51 romainM
god, I'm doing what I blame my users not doing ... read the doc
14:51 pdurbin
hhe
14:51 pdurbin
heh
14:52 romainM
well, thanks for your patience with me
14:52 romainM
and the answers
14:52 romainM
I'll see with my people what we will do then
14:52 romainM
before opening any issue
14:53 pdurbin
ok
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15:00 bencomp
pdurbin: :) (we muted)
15:01 pdurbin
bencomp: I was talking about UTF8 encoding DataVerse 3.6.2 - Google Groups - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/dataverse-community/_rLFOPsjXxE
15:01 bencomp
I know
15:01 pdurbin
bencomp: thanks for helping!
15:01 bencomp
you're welcome
15:04 pdurbin
huh. I wasn't aware of http://dataverse.org/releases-roadmap
15:06 pdurbin
bencomp: so what did you think about the call?
15:06 bencomp
we prefer skype over this phone call :)
15:06 pdurbin
bencomp: could you hear me ok?
15:07 pdurbin
pameyer: could you hear me ok?
15:09 pdurbin
bencomp: well, I hope it was a good use of an hour
15:09 pdurbin
I was a little distracted by romainM ;)
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is innocent
15:13 pdurbin
heh
15:19 bencomp
we could hear you better than some others, pdurbin
15:19 bencomp
it's clear my phone is not the best for long speakerphone conversations
15:20 bencomp
Eleni showed me the releases roadmap last week
15:20 bencomp
but that was the first time I saw it too
15:24 pameyer
pdurbin: I could hear you mostly ok
15:24 pdurbin
phew. at some point I picked up the receiver. after someone said they couldn't hear me well
15:24 pdurbin
hopefully that helped
15:25 pameyer
audio is frequently a problem with these
15:26 pameyer
I learned that not allowing multiple accounts with the same email was a feature, not a bug
15:26 pdurbin
pameyer: heh. it's for password reset: https://demo.dataverse.org/passwordreset.xhtml
15:27 pameyer
does the case where the admin is also a user come up?
15:28 pameyer
but that makes sense
15:28 pdurbin
superusers can reset their passwords too if that's what you mean
15:28 pdurbin
unless they're using Shibboleth
15:28 pdurbin
then they'll have to talk to their identity people
15:28 pameyer
I ran across it when I tried to use the same email address for an owner of a root dataverse, and a normal user account.
15:29 pameyer
fortunately I've got multiple addresses
15:29 pdurbin
yeah, "plus addressing" helps
15:29 pdurbin
http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/2-hidden-ways-to-get-more-from-your.html
15:30 pameyer
yup
15:33 pdurbin
bencomp: I could mostly hear people
15:39 romainM
about the password reset thing, we've run accross a strange problem
15:39 romainM
no password reset email can be send to the user email adresse
15:40 romainM
*adress
15:40 romainM
**address (damnit french)
15:40 pdurbin
romainM: what do you see in server.log?
15:41 romainM
my admin sys a seen nothing "strange"
15:41 romainM
I asked the log in case
15:41 romainM
waiting it
15:41 pdurbin
romainM: do you get *any* emails? such as when you publish a dataset?
15:43 romainM
gonna try
15:43 romainM
it seems that ... nope
15:44 romainM
a conf problem then ?
15:45 pdurbin
romainM: http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.2.4/installation/installation-main.html#problems-sending-email
15:47 romainM
doh
15:47 romainM
will see that with him
15:47 romainM
ty
15:47 romainM
asadmin get server.resources.mail-resource.mail/notifyMailSession.host Enter admin user name> admin Enter admin password for user "admin"> server.resources.mail-resource.mail/notifyMailSession.host=localhost Command get executed successfully.
15:48 romainM
(I hidden the username/password for the command)
15:48 romainM
but the rest it what we got
15:48 romainM
*is
15:48 romainM
it seems the conf was fine
15:49 pameyer
romainM: can the system send *any* email? outside dataverse?
15:49 romainM
yep
15:49 romainM
my admin sys just emailed me to show me it works
15:51 pdurbin
romainM: I have to run to a standup. if pameyer can help, great. if not, please email supporthttp://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.2.4/installation/administration.html#glassfish
15:52 romainM
ok, ty
15:52 jri
Hi pdurbin, I've tried to increase "edu.harvard.iq.dataverse.passwordreset.PasswordResetServiceBean"
15:53 jri
not changed anything
15:53 jri
there is an another class that could be useful ?
15:54 pdurbin
jri: maybe try increasing all of edu.harvard.iq.dataverse ... I hope that works but I'm not sure.
15:55 jri
:D
15:55 jri
ok !
15:56 jri
Email will not be sent because the :SystemEmail setting is null.]]
15:56 pdurbin
NICE
15:56 * pdurbin
added that
15:57 jri
the concerned class is edu.harvard.iq.dataverse.util.MailUtil
15:57 pdurbin
jri: please see http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.2.4/installation/config.html#systememail
15:59 jri
Ok, problem solved √√√
16:00 jri
thanks
16:00 romainM
ty pdurbin
16:00 romainM
happy standup then :D
16:16 pdurbin
:)
16:17 pdurbin
romainM: you're welcome
16:21 pdurbin
romainM: this sounds like an issue. Do you want to make an issue for it?
16:22 romainM
about the mail problem ? I can if you want
16:22 pdurbin
please
16:22 pdurbin
romainM: and please include the logging info from jri
16:23 romainM
ok
16:24 pdurbin
romainM jri: if you think the last bullet I added to https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2944 is sufficient, you don't need to create an issue
16:24 pdurbin
"Emphasize the need to set the :SystemEmail or you will not be able to send mail"
16:27 romainM
hum
16:28 romainM
that's enough to understand the problem I guess
16:28 romainM
but maybe a single issue is better
16:28 romainM
I dunno
16:29 jri
Or just add a line in the info log level if SystemEmail is not present
16:29 jri
personaly logs is the first thing that I check, before google and issues
16:30 pdurbin
romainM jri: please feel free to open an issue about that that better captures the problem. and please feel free to propose a solution
16:30 pdurbin
jri: good instinct on checking logs first :)
16:30 romainM
I open the issue and add jri solution, problem solved :)
16:33 romainM
"and please include the logging info from jri " which logs ? We had no warning or other things in logs no ?
16:38 romainM
issue published
16:38 romainM
if you know what logs to had, feel free to tell me :)
16:38 romainM
I'm leaving now, have a nice day
16:39 pdurbin
romainM: thanks!
16:39 pdurbin
jri: please feel free to add comments to the issue romainM opened: No email sent at all from Dataverse (SystemEmail not set is the problem) · Issue #2980 · IQSS/dataverse - https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2980
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18:08 pdurbin
"Canvas Network datasets are available to researchers on Harvard's Dataverse service as Canvas Network Dataverse: https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataverse/cn ." http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/canvas-offers-anonymized-canvas-network-data-to-researchers-300228000.html
18:42 pameyer
everytime I see references to anonymized data I wonder who's worrying about how effective the anonymization/de-identification is
18:43 pdurbin
heh
18:43 pdurbin
pameyer: be glad you work with x-ray crystal structures :)
18:43 pameyer
it does simplify things on the privacy side :)
18:46 pdurbin
pameyer: hey so how does 1pm look for our Friday meeting? Instead of 2pm.
18:50 pameyer
1pm looks ok to me
18:51 pameyer
I'm changing the title of that google doc from "Spring"...
18:59 pdurbin
lol
18:59 pdurbin
I must be thinking Spring. So warm out.
19:01 pdurbin
pameyer: also! One of those meetings conflicts with SpinachCon which is organized by shauna so I wanted to see what you wanted to do for that one: http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dataverse/2016-02-23#i_31416 . Liz and I are planning to go.
19:01 pdurbin
shauna: is this still the best link for that event? https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Event:LibrePlanet/LibrePlanet/3-18-2016_-Event_1
19:03 pameyer
pdurbin: we could skip that week or reschedule - either way works for me
19:04 pdurbin
ok. we can decide closer to the time. see how things are going
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19:19 pdurbin
pameyer: you can let Bill know about Friday?
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19:35 shauna
pdurbin: yup that's the best link for it
19:36 pdurbin
shauna: ok. thanks. at least there's a gnu with spinach in his teeth :)
19:38 pameyer
I just assumed he was one this channel - I'll let him know
19:39 pdurbin
pameyer: thanks
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19:53 pdurbin
bmckinney: my new laptop arrived and I'm wondering if I should use your Ansible scripts to set it up.
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19:57 bmckinney
might be useful (or not) - i'm still chugging away at them a bit
19:57 bmckinney
btw, i'm using launchctl for solr and postgres
20:07 pdurbin
bmckinney: maybe you could upload them as a comment to https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2443
20:10 bmckinney
pdurbin: sweet - i'll share something by monday at the latest (still a little rough and i'm testing on a mac mini with yosemite)
20:11 pdurbin
bmckinney: no worries. I can always just keep doing what I'm doing instead. just thought I'd mention it. also, Michael (who opened that issue) may be interested. or not :)
20:11 bmckinney
pdurbin: would be good to integrate your homebrew stuff too
20:12 bmckinney
yeah, i think a "get a developer up and running on a macbook <15 mins" would be useful
20:12 pdurbin
have you heard of https://www.ottoproject.io ?
20:13 bmckinney
ah, saw the announcement at one point but didn't look closely
20:14 pdurbin
recently merged: Add Java based project support by pcssi · Pull Request #276 · hashicorp/otto - https://github.com/hashicorp/otto/pull/276
20:14 pdurbin
anyway
20:14 pdurbin
probably too fancy and new for us
20:14 bmckinney
maybe i need to learn this just so that i can put the cool robot logo on my laptop!
20:14 pdurbin
shauna: we are onboarding bmckinney as a new contributor :)
20:15 pdurbin
bmckinney: dunno if you saw me and pameyer talking about an upcoming meeting conflict: http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dataverse/2016-03-01#i_31977
20:24 bmckinney
pdurbin: no problem with moving the meeting time
20:24 pdurbin
for Friday. great. 1pm is it
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