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13:55 pdurbin
pameyer: mornin'. I started a doc for this afternoon's sprint planning: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pRH50NmfQTFm6XNfChjTcn1oPkM1iL6dfZqNwG8BXio/edit?usp=sharing
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14:48 pameyer
pdurbin: morning - I'm probably going to miss this one
15:01 pdurbin
pameyer: ok. No worries.
15:04 pameyer
you and bmckinney can probably find things to talk about without me
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17:24 pdurbin
pameyer: yep. We met early. He'll grab me if there's anything else he needs.
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19:36 iamtimmo
hi, folks. any documentation on metadata block definition anywhere? I’ve found multiple example definition spreadsheets, but no documentation.
19:37 pdurbin
iamtimmo: there's http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.3/user/appendix.html but are you looking for more than that?
19:39 iamtimmo
pdurbin: Thanks. I’ve seen these. And the .tsv versions are the kinds of examples I’m talking about. What I’m looking for is documentation for how to create your own metadata blocks. So, the syntax and semantics of the .tsv files.
19:58 iamtimmo
pdurbin: Should I take your silence as a “no”? ;-)
19:59 pdurbin
pameyer: are you able to explain to iamtimmo how to create a new metadata block tsv file? :) You guys are working on one at https://github.com/bmckinney/bio-dataverse/blob/b862f3bb40fa25d0735dcaffc41b54ba7ce3c149/scripts/api/data/metadatablocks/customSBGrid.tsv
19:59 iamtimmo
oh, I spoke too soon.
19:59 pameyer
pdurbin, iamtimmo: I probably can't - but bmckinney might be able to
20:01 pdurbin
iamtimmo: you might be interested in https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2357
20:01 iamtimmo
pameyer: I’d much appreciate an direction I can get. I have created a couple of these, but did it stabbing in the dark.
20:01 pdurbin
and I'm sorry but I gotta go
20:01 iamtimmo
so long, pdurbin
20:02 iamtimmo
pdurbin: and I am interested in this. it’s one of my issues, too.
20:06 pdurbin
iamtimmo: bencomp is right that we misuse tsv a bit: http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dataverse/2016-03-29#i_33345 :)
20:06 pameyer
iamtimmo: my input was more along the lines of what rather than how - but if you've got questions, I can take a shot
20:06 pameyer
let me scroll up a bit to see what I missed
20:08 pdurbin
iamtimmo: generally, we'd like people to email support
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20:09 pameyer
non-expert take on the semantics: the name column is the internal name; dataverseAlias corresponds to what's displayed in the UI, and displayName corresponds to a tooltip
20:10 pameyer
factable ~= searchable
20:11 iamtimmo
pdurbin: okay. but it seems kinda straightforward. Y’all’ve produced a bunch of these blocks now, so it’s just a matter of documenting what the columns mean exactly, the implications of certain choices, etc.
20:13 iamtimmo
I’ve created one of these already as part of migration work. I’m creating another one now with a colleague who is interested in exploring metadata for software. We plan on playing around with this a fair bit and tring to do this through dataverse support introduces a lot of latency.
20:14 pdurbin
yeah
20:21 pdurbin
ok really going. in the rain!
20:22 iamtimmo
see ya, pdurbin
20:22 pameyer
hope you can stay dry
20:22 pameyer
iamtimmo: do you have a favorite tool or workflow for experimenting with metadata?
20:24 iamtimmo
pameyer: I use oXygenXML when I’m working with XML , if that’s what you mean. But for this work, we’re interested in how we can configure DV 4.x to accept and display the kind of information we want to gather and share.
20:28 pameyer
my question wasn't very DV specific (and somewhat tangential to your questions about tsv files). From the perspective of a metadata-newbie, trying to put together a metadata schema in free text seemed somewhat sub-optimal. XML also seems to introduce some overhead; but it also seems to be the only markup language that lets you do attributes on relation types (at least, I don't know of others).
20:28 pameyer
for DV 4.x, are you thinking XML -> TSV?
20:30 iamtimmo
I see. No, don’t need to do that. I just need to know how the tsv maps to DV 4 functionality. We won’t transform our metadata to TSV. Only need TSV to define metadata blocks.
20:31 pameyer
ok - I was confused. I was thinking you had the schema definition in XML
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