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14:33 Thali_UM
Good morning
14:34 Thali_UM
Philip
14:34 Thali_UM
I have a question about controlled vocabulary value
14:35 Thali_UM
Can I add a datasetfieldtype to metadatablock citation_Metadata?
14:37 Thali_UM
I was able to add another metadatablock, but can I add values to the citation metadatablock?
14:38 pdurbin
Thali_UM: I don't think you should modify the citation metadata block. I think it's better to create your own custom metadata block. I'm glad to hear you got it working!
14:43 pameyer
Thali_UM: my experiences with modifying the citation metadata block frequently had unexpected problems (pdurbin and others had told me that it was almost certainly a bad idea)
14:43 pdurbin
pameyer: is there stuff you wanted to add to the citation metadata block?
14:44 Thali_UM
yes
14:45 Thali_UM
I want to add after description, description type
14:45 pameyer
pdurbin: there are a few ideas I have for changes to the citation block (changing the type of related dataset, giving authors contributor roles, probably some others I'm forgetting). All my experiments (except for removing all but one subject for an empty dataverse install) ended in brokenness and failure
14:46 pdurbin
Thali_UM: what would the types of descriptions be?
14:46 pdurbin
pameyer: thank goodness the sun is shining today :)
14:47 pameyer
... my tendency for sounding excessively negative is in full force on a Monday morning ;)
14:50 Thali_UM
http://catalogs.repositorionacionalcti.mx/webresources/tipodescripcion
14:51 pdurbin
I could use some more coffee myself.
14:51 Thali_UM
"Abstract", "Methods", "Series Information", Table of contents, Other
14:52 pdurbin
Thali_UM: that sounds like a reasonable feature request to me! Can you please make a GitHub issue about it? That way I can point our metadata experts to the issue and they can have a nice debate about it.
14:52 Thali_UM
and I like and I want to add it after the description field, although I know that that goes according to the displayorder
14:53 Thali_UM
ok
14:53 pameyer
I think "Series Information" may already be in the citation block
14:55 pdurbin
pameyer: you've studied it more than I have
14:58 pameyer
pdurbin: somewhere I've got a "monster" (JSON file for creating a dataset with all the citation block fields filled out)
14:59 pdurbin
pameyer: I just pushed a similar file into a pull request on Friday. "scripts/api/data/dataset-create-new-all-default-fields.json" at https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/pull/4571/files
14:59 pdurbin
But not just the citation block. All the blocks that are installed by default. Astrophysics, journals, etc.
15:00 pdurbin
Thali_UM: after the description field sounds good to me.
15:00 pdurbin
But it can be debated in the GitHub issue you create. :)
15:00 Thali_UM
yes
15:01 Thali_UM
https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/4575
15:01 pdurbin
Thali_UM: thank you!!
15:01 Thali_UM
Thank to you
15:05 pdurbin
Thali_UM: would you be willing to attach the tsv file for your custom metadata block to the GitHub issue? In order for it to upload, you probably have to add ".txt" to the end of the filename.
15:08 Thali_UM
Yes. first I finish completing it and then upload it
15:09 pdurbin
Perfect. Thanks.
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15:16 pameyer
donsizemore: awesome upgrade tips!
15:16 donsizemore
@pameyer when i ran ibiblio the graduate students made constant fun of me for being squeamish
15:18 pameyer
I've been called paranoid (with justification); but hadn't heard squeamish
15:36 pdurbin
paranoid in a good way
16:29 Thali_UM
Ready :D
16:38 Thali_UM
Philip
16:38 Thali_UM
Dataset Save Failed - edu.harvard.iq.dataverse.engine.command.exception.CommandException: Dataset could not be created. Indexing failed
16:44 pameyer
Thali_UM: I think both pdurbin and I forgot to mention that you probably need to change the solr schema (schema.xml) when you change/add metadata blocks
16:45 Thali_UM
How ??
16:47 pameyer
it's more complicated than I'd like :(
16:48 pameyer
but also may not be the first thing to check
16:48 pameyer
it looks like there may be a typo in the `customMRA.txt` TSV file you attached to 4575
16:49 pameyer
... may not be a typo too; may be oddness w\ my TSV viewer
16:50 Thali_UM
and that I can change it from the database or I have to reload the file.tsv
16:50 pameyer
ok - not a typo; problem was on my end
16:53 pameyer
... yet another correction - what I'd at first thought was a typo wasn't. but it looks like the multiple "#datasetField" lines may be confusing things
16:53 pameyer
there should only be one at the top
16:54 pameyer
it might also be worth disabling faceting for all of the new fields during the first pass (aka - add non-facetable, make sure things work as expected, enable faceting if desired and make solr happy with it)
16:56 Thali_UM
Dataset Save Failed - edu.harvard.iq.dataverse.engine.command.exception.CommandException: Command edu.harvard.iq.dataverse.engine.command.impl.UpdateDatasetCommand
16:57 Thali_UM
ok
17:05 Thali_UM
still marks the following: edu.harvard.iq.dataverse.engine.command.exception.CommandException: Command edu.harvard.iq.dataverse.engine.command.impl.UpdateDatasetCommand
17:05 Thali_UM
and I already put facetable to false
17:06 pameyer
is this a new dataset, or an existing one?
17:10 Thali_UM
both
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17:12 pameyer
puzzeling
17:12 pameyer
Thali_UM: I'm about to be offline, so may be some lag on my end
17:15 Thali_UM
Don't worry, from everything you've told me, I'm still looking for, thank you pameyer
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18:13 pdurbin
Thali_UM: sorry, I stepped away to learn about git internals: https://www.picatic.com/cs50-git-internals
18:13 pdurbin
Do you still need anything?
18:21 pdurbin
donsizemore: still there?
18:27 Thali_UM
Yes
18:28 Thali_UM
they still mark error messages, pameyer told me that because I had to index the schema.xml
18:31 pdurbin
Thali_UM: right. You have to add your new fields to schema.xml and restart Solr.
18:32 Thali_UM
Thank youuuuuuuuuuuu
18:32 Thali_UM
Thank you
18:32 Thali_UM
You are the best with Pameyer
18:33 Thali_UM
I'm still hanging on how to add datasetsfield to metadatablock citation
18:33 pdurbin
It's difficult. Did you look at the Google Doc linked from https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/3168 ?
18:34 pdurbin
It's called "Dataverse 4.x Metadata Blocks syntax/semantics"
18:36 Thali_UM
yes
18:39 Thali_UM
Other question Philip
18:40 pdurbin
hit me
18:41 Thali_UM
When adding values in controlledvocabulary can I determine if I want it to be a checklist or a select?
18:41 Thali_UM
what's mean "hit me"??
18:43 pdurbin
"hit me" means "go ahead and ask me your question"
18:44 Thali_UM
Ooooh Thank you
18:46 pdurbin
Thali_UM: I think it's controlled by "allowmultiples"
19:50 Thali_UM
What is that mean?
19:51 pdurbin
allowmultiples is a boolean (true/false) on the datasetfieldtype table: http://phoenix.dataverse.org/schemaspy/latest/tables/datasetfieldtype.html
19:52 Thali_UM
yes
19:52 pdurbin
If you set allowmultiples to true, you get a checklist. If you set it to false you get a select. I think!
19:53 pdurbin
Actually... wait. I think I'm confused.
19:53 Thali_UM
but 50/5000 so if I put false it becomes a select?
19:55 pdurbin
Ok, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong. allowmultiples is for if you can have more than one title (false) or more than one author (true). It controls if you see a "plus" (+) button or not.
19:58 Thali_UM
NO
19:59 Thali_UM
you are right about the select and checkbox
19:59 pdurbin
really?
19:59 Thali_UM
Yes
19:59 Thali_UM
:D
19:59 pdurbin
\o/
20:01 Thali_UM
Thank you Philip
20:01 Thali_UM
a question philip
20:03 Thali_UM
Can I export the metadata?
20:04 pdurbin
Yes.
20:05 pdurbin
Try it. :)
20:05 Thali_UM
and can they be harvested?
20:06 Thali_UM
Yes, I only see them in the JSON Archive
20:09 pdurbin
Yes, and they can only be harvested via "native JSON " rather than Dublin Core, DDI, or Schema.org JSON-LD. The full list of formats can be found at http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.8.6/admin/metadataexport.html
20:10 pdurbin
In practice, this means that only another Dataverse installation will be able to harvest your custom metadata block, unfortunately.
20:10 pdurbin
Because only Dataverse knows about the "native JSON " format. I think we recommend using Dublin Core or DDI for harvesting.
20:11 pdurbin
We probably recommend DDI.
20:11 pdurbin
Both Dublin Core and DDI are XML .
20:12 pdurbin
Dublin Core is required by the OAI-PMH specification but Dataverse supports DDI pretty well.
20:12 Thali_UM
and if I want to harvest from another repository like DSpace and also use Dublin Core?
20:16 pdurbin
You're still talking about your custom metadata block, right? Your custom fields? Your custom fields are not part of Dublin Core. So no, they are not harvestable using Dublin Core.
20:24 Thali_UM
you're right
20:24 Thali_UM
I get a little confused with that of dublin core and oai-pmh
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21:31 donsizemore
@pdurbin I'm back. they sent me home for looking terrible (in the "might-have-the-flu" sense)
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21:46 pdurbin_m
donsizemore: I hope you feel better! I was just going to ask about this: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-ansible/issues/14
21:54 donsizemore
i think you can close that.
21:55 donsizemore
or i will, if you want. the build failures stemmed from shibboleth rpms being installed by default, then the config disabled by default in one of the last steps. i just made shib.enabled default to "false" and Travis is happy
22:57 pdurbin
awesome, I just left a comment on the issue, thanks!
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