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13:22 bricas
pdurbin: is there any way to simplify the login screen if there's only ever 1 institution that can be selected?
13:48 pdurbin
bricas: unfortunately, no. Check out how this installation forked the code: https://dataverse.nl . Do you want to create a GitHub issue for this?
13:50 bricas
yeah, i'll add an issue. thought i'd ask first. :)
13:50 bricas
btw, is the master branch the latest stable release?
13:51 bricas
(the branches may already be doc'ed somewhere, sorry if i've missed that)
13:51 pdurbin
bricas: yep: http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.9.1/developers/version-control.html#the-master-branch and don't worry about not knowing it's documented. That's my job. :)
13:51 pdurbin
Your job is to ask. :)
13:51 bricas
ah perfect. thanks.
13:53 pdurbin
Sure. This installation also has a single installation in the dropdown: https://researchdata.ntu.edu.sg
13:55 pdurbin
There might be others. Not sure.
14:29 bricas
pdurbin: if i just delete the orcid row from authenticationproviderrow will that get rid of the orcid button?
14:29 pdurbin
bricas: you should use the API
14:32 pdurbin
Hmm, but maybe it isn't documented.
14:33 bricas
...was looking too :)
14:33 bricas
it mentions the db table a few times (hence my first question)
14:33 pdurbin
It should be similar to the POST at http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.9.1/installation/oauth2.html but a DELETE
14:35 pdurbin
bricas: here's the code: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/blob/v4.9.1/src/main/java/edu/harvard/iq/dataverse/api/Admin.java#L254
14:36 bricas
roger dodger
14:36 pdurbin
You could do a GET on the id number before and after.
14:36 pdurbin
To make sure you got the right one.
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14:36 bricas
got it.
14:36 bricas
worked as described.
14:38 pdurbin
bricas: great! Do you mind creating an issue to document this?
14:38 bricas
sure thing.
14:38 bricas
i have issues, y'all.
14:38 pdurbin
bricas: oh, wait. I just found it.
14:39 pdurbin
http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.9.1/api/native-api.html#delete-an-authentication-provider
14:39 pdurbin
bricas: but if you feel like any of those docs are off, please feel free to open an issue.
14:40 pdurbin
bricas: or open a issue to link from other pages to those docs or something
14:40 bricas
i think maybe pointing to the api vs talking about table rows may be better
14:40 pdurbin
yeah, absolutely
14:41 pdurbin
And I've been thinking about moving a lot of those "admin" docs out of the native api page and into specific sections where they are much more relevant. The OAuth2 page in this case.
14:41 pdurbin
Well....
14:41 pameyer
yeah, I tend to treat going into the db as "I probably shouldn't be doing this" terratory
14:41 pdurbin
maybe the Admin guide.
14:41 pdurbin
because shib and builtin
14:41 pdurbin
I don't know
14:41 pdurbin
yeah, good way to treat it
14:43 bricas
direct db interaction is usually "hic sunt dracones" stuff :)
14:44 pdurbin
yeah, tread lightly
14:56 pdurbin
bricas: thanks for creating the "Simplified login for single remote auth endpoint" issue: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/4869
14:56 pdurbin
and the "Config docs should mention the API and not DB tables" issue: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/4870
14:57 pdurbin
and for offering to work on the "Documentation enhancement for Apache config for mod_shib on Ubuntu" issue: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/3213
14:57 bricas
<thumbs up emoji>
14:57 pdurbin
Have you see the new "Community Dev" column at https://waffle.io/IQSS/dataverse ?
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14:58 bricas
i've not. i've never seen waffle.io at all actually
14:59 pdurbin
we recently put a waffle badge at the bottom of https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse
15:00 pdurbin
14 in the "Community Dev" column. Do you want me to assign you to any of these issues and drag it over into that column? No pressure. :)
15:01 bricas
heh. if i'm being honest, i have 60 other things i'm supposed to be getting done this summer, so i'll have to take a pass. but if they sit idle long enough, i may re-address them when i get some time.
15:02 pdurbin
Ok, no worries. :)
15:02 pdurbin
I predict they will sit idle. :)
15:03 bricas
i'm not a java guy, so any real coding tasks are out of my wheelhouse -- but documentation i can do.
15:04 pdurbin
Sure. All contributions are appreciated, of course.
15:13 pdurbin
Including bug reports. :)
15:23 bricas
of course. :)
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17:51 bricas
pdurbin: basic PR done for the shib apache 2.4 docs
17:53 pdurbin
bricas: huh. I forgot about that "auth" branch. Thanks!
17:53 bricas
np!
17:55 pdurbin
jeez, it's a 404
17:56 pdurbin
bricas: I take it you found that shib.md file more helpful than http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.9.1/installation/shibboleth.html ?
17:59 bricas
i can't honestly remember what i did at the time... i was just searching for shib and found those busted urls
18:00 pdurbin
Cool. I moved it to QA. Thanks for the pull request!
18:02 bricas
no prob. my original ticket was ubuntu "specific" (just because that's what we use) - but i'm sure the issue is really just apache version specific
18:03 pdurbin
Ah, ok. I'm always glad to hear that Dataverse works on Ubuntu, by the way. Especially the shib stuff, which I don't believe is supported by the shib folks. They seem to favor redhat.
18:04 pdurbin
And so do we, to be honest.
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18:12 donsizemore
hey @pdurbin speaking of shib, want me to start an issue to track migration to shib 3? it's out and our ID MGMT head is on vacay, but once he's back I may see if I can grab him for a consultation
18:13 pdurbin
donsizemore: huh, I had no idea is was out. Sure! Any idea how long shib 2 will be supported?
18:13 pdurbin
fingers crossed for "forever" :)
18:14 donsizemore
the question will be coordinating the use of R&S / federation with the upgrade to 3.0
18:15 pdurbin
yeah that still needs to work
18:15 pameyer48
is the version of shib that dataverse ships with the latest shib 2?
18:16 pdurbin
pameyer48: we just say to do a yum install from the shib yum repo
18:16 pdurbin
or whatever bricas is doing on ubuntu :)
18:19 pameyer48
right - but there's shib-related javascript that ships with dataverse
18:20 pdurbin
oh, yes. buh, whatever that thing is called
18:21 pdurbin
This thing but for me it didn't come in a box: https://www.shibboleth.net/products/embedded-discovery-service/
18:21 pameyer48
the postive control for anything checking "don't use eval in javascript on arbritrary input"
18:22 pdurbin
bricas: so really https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/4869 could be filed against EDS
18:22 pdurbin
but we forked it so we kind of own it :/
18:23 donsizemore
@pamayer48 yeah, that'll be interesting when somebody wants to stand up a new shib.
18:27 pameyer48
@donsizemore it was on my rador more for paranoia than new installs; but that's a good point
18:27 pameyer48
s/rador/radar/g
18:35 pdurbin
donsizemore: speaking of upgrades, yesterday in our bi-weekly backlog grooming meeting I wanted to ask the team to estimate https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/4172 about payara 5 but didn't get the opportunity
18:41 bricas
we intend to dockerize our install at some point, once we get the tuits. we just happen to use ubuntu for our regular WMs is all.
18:42 pdurbin
WMs or VMs?
18:42 bricas
VMs
18:42 bricas
sorry.
18:42 pdurbin
phew
18:42 bricas
one thing i like in slack is i can edit messages so i look smart(ish)
18:43 pdurbin
yeah IRC is like SMS
18:48 pameyer48
@bricas we're on a mix of centos and ubuntu (centos for dataverse thought)
18:49 pdurbin
my home server is ubuntu
18:50 bricas
we run alpine on (almost?) all of our dockerized things
18:51 bricas
ubuntu otherwise
18:51 pdurbin
ah, based on BusyBox
18:53 pameyer48
in my hands, trying to dockerize stuff into alpine can be ... interesting
18:53 pameyer48
starting from it's simpler
18:56 bricas
our needs have been relatively simple, so it's been great
19:10 pdurbin
bricas: dockerize your install of Dataverse? Have you seen https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/4665 ?
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19:24 cthao98
Hi, is anyone familiar with running Solr on Kubernetes containers? On the slave's solrconfig.xml, I specified the masterURL but solr returns this error `Master at is not available. Index fetch failed by exception: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Illegal character in scheme name at index 0: 172.12.0.6:8983/solr/#/collection1/replication?command=indexversion&wt=javabin&qt=%2Freplication&version=2`
19:25 cthao98
I asked the same question on solr irc but no response so far
19:25 cthao98
:/
19:27 pdurbin
cthao98: I'm not but does a master/slave setup work for you outside of kubernetes?
19:27 cthao98
I haven't tried that yet, I don't know if solr would let me run 2 instances on one machine?
19:28 pdurbin
I think you can just run them on different ports.
19:28 pdurbin
Back in Solr 4 days there was an example using Zookeeper. I don't know if they still use that for Solr 7.
19:29 cthao98
I think the goal is to avoid zk so we can minimize the complexity of the concept
19:30 pdurbin
ok
19:30 pdurbin
I don't know zookeeper anyway. :)
19:30 pdurbin
I mean, I tried it once.
19:30 pdurbin
And I talked to a guy who uses it with Solr.
19:31 cthao98
:)
19:31 cthao98
It seems like solr irc is oddly inactive
19:31 pdurbin
cthao98: you might want to try the solr mailing list. I'm on it but I never read it unless I've asked something and am waiting for a reply.
19:31 pdurbin
The creator of Solr replied to me once, which was great. :)
19:32 cthao98
I just sent an email to subscribe, hoping to get some results
19:33 pameyer48
@cthao98 you can definately run multiple solr instances on the same box
19:33 pameyer48
either running normally with non-default ports, or with multiple individual containers and different port mappings.
19:35 cthao98
I'm trying it on my computer and the second solr instance is complaining that collection1 is locked
19:36 pameyer48
different directories and different ports?
19:36 pdurbin
cthao98: are you following a guide? solr docs?
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19:37 cthao98
I am not because I didn't find any useful guide
19:38 cthao98
everything on the solr websites wants me to use solrcloud with zookeeper
19:40 pdurbin
sounds right
19:40 pameyer48
huh - looks like it's either sharding or zookeeper
19:41 pdurbin
sounds the same as solr 4 days
19:41 cthao98
I'm doing replication
19:41 cthao98
hence master-slave
19:41 pdurbin
cthao98: have you looked at https://github.com/dudash/openshift-docker-solr yet?
19:43 cthao98
I don't think it uses the replicationhandler though
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20:06 rucha-oza
we have an online journal for publishing research work. we want to provide DOI to the research articles published in our online journal. is harvard dataverse account can be used to generate DOI?
20:07 pameyer48
hi rucha-oza: if I'm understanding you correctly, I don't think so. DOIs generated for datasets inside harvard dataverse will have landing pages that resolve to harvard dataverse
20:08 pameyer48
to issue your own DOIs for your journals, your journal would probably need an account with crossref or datacite
20:09 rucha-oza
we may not mind where it is finally resolved if there is link to their article published on our journal website
20:11 rucha-oza
i have looked at the datacite website. they are telling to contact (or register with) their registered members to get DOI
20:12 pameyer48
https://datacite.org/become.html looks like they've got an application
20:12 pameyer48
again, I could be wrong - but I don't think that you'd want a harvard dataverse account to issue DOIs for articles published throught your journal
20:13 pameyer48
for datasets cited by articles in your journal, definately - but those would be different DOIs
20:13 rucha-oza
i have also checked crossref. but their fees is higher for us as our revenue is not much high.
20:15 rucha-oza
has dataverse any kind of fee?
20:18 pameyer48
the software is open source; but having an installation connected to the handle or doi system does have costs
20:18 pameyer48
orcid does as well, not sure about shibboleth
20:19 pameyer48
for using somebody else's dataverse installation, it depends on which one. some are restricted to institutions, others are open.
20:20 pameyer48
but I'd strongly encourage you to check with the support or curation
20:20 pameyer48
folks for another installation first
20:23 rucha-oza
u said "handle or doi system does have costs" - is there any page where i can find the pricing of services? i gone through many pages but found no information about pricing
20:26 pameyer48
for pricing, I think your best bet would be to contact them and ask. I don't know all the factors that go into subscription prices, but do know that it can vary depending on circumstances (lower costs for lower number of identifiers issued, etc)
20:27 pameyer48
I *believe* the costs for handle identifiers are lower than DOIs, but this is (somewhat obviously) not an area where I'm the best person to answer questions
20:28 rucha-oza
thank you very much for all these information and your time. have a nice day
20:29 pameyer48
you're welcome - good luck
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