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00:00 pdurbin
Vagrant is mentioned here: http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.9.4/installation/prep.html#vagrant-for-testing-only
00:01 pdurbin
I only mention Vagrant because when I use VirtualBox 99% of the time I'm using Vagrant.
00:02 jay2jaykp
I started from pre-requisite page....create a vmbox of centos fresh....and install Java, Glassfish, Solr, POstgresql, jq, imageMagik, R and download the release from github
00:02 jay2jaykp
I unplack the dvinstall.zip and run the install
00:03 pdurbin
Ok, that all sounds fine.
00:03 pdurbin
I'm just not very familiar with VirtualBox. And your first message was cut off: http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dataverse/2018-10-29#i_77177
00:03 pdurbin
what were you saying after "establish"?
00:04 jay2jaykp
I am able to connect the terminal of CentOS through Ubuntu via Bridge Adaptor and established the dataverse through it. Now once deployed, I want to open dataverse in Ubuntu's Browser rather than centOS browser. (The reason behind this is the small resilution of CentOS vmbox) How can I open dataverse instance from VMBox centOS to directly Ubuntu Browser??
00:06 pdurbin
Thanks. And thanks for posting this on the mailing list too: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/dataverse-community/Myi4JZggTKk/ODkjHU0WCgAJ
00:07 pdurbin
Sorry to go on about Vagrant but if you do `vagrant up` Dataverse should be running at http://localhost:8888
00:07 pdurbin
As described at http://guides.dataverse.org/en/4.9.4/developers/tools.html#vagrant
00:07 pdurbin
I'm not sure what you need to do in VirtualBox to achieve the same thing.
00:08 jay2jaykp
OK. I will try vangrant too then. Appreciate your time.
00:08 pdurbin
Awesome. Fingers crossed that it "just works" :)
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12:11 andrewSC
pdurbin: nothing to add on my end, turns out there was a missing value in one of the fields. Once that was resoved doing the curl call with the file was fine and dandy :)
12:11 pdurbin
good, thanks
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13:38 poikilotherm
Greetings :-)
13:50 pdurbin
what's new poikilotherm
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13:53 poikilotherm
I haven't been around for a while... Sorry for that. Have been kept busy writing a research software policy draft.
13:53 poikilotherm
Getting back to work on Dataverse now :-)
13:53 pdurbin
nice, welcome back
13:54 poikilotherm
Thx :-)
13:56 pdurbin
poikilotherm: I feel kind of bad that five issues are assigned to you and only one is assigned to me. :)
14:12 poikilotherm
:-D
14:13 poikilotherm
There there... *patting your back*
14:13 poikilotherm
Doesn't hurt, just gets me eager to solve stuff
14:15 pdurbin
Heh. I'm trying to limit my work in progress after reading a book called "Kanban".
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14:20 pdurbin
tcoupin: hi! Romain is on vacation this week.
14:27 pdurbin
poikilotherm: which of the five are you most eager to solve first?
14:28 poikilotherm
The Payara 5 one :-)
14:28 poikilotherm
This is related to a lot of other stuff
14:29 poikilotherm
And as I am using docker for this, this will be of use for my colleague eager to run this stuff on kubernetes
14:31 pdurbin
Great. Oracle Code One, formerly Java One, was last week and I wonder if there is any news from Glassfish or Payara representatives. From what I understand, the next release of Glassfish will come from Eclipse rather than Oracle.
14:31 poikilotherm
Currently ditching the multistage stuff in favor of fabric8io d-m-p because of the HUGE download issues involved when using the multistage approach for LOCAL development. This would be a good approach on CI only, but as it is used now, this adds to much overhead.
14:32 pdurbin
Sorry, what is the multistage approach? Can you link me to some code or config?
14:34 poikilotherm
Sorry - nothing I pushed yet. Can give you some links to desriptions.
14:34 pdurbin
I can wait until you push. No rush.
14:34 poikilotherm
https://codefresh.io/howtos/using-docker-maven-maven-docker
14:35 pdurbin
interesting, thanks
14:35 poikilotherm
This is an interesting comparison. Be sure to read the comments, too, as Roland Huß (author of the fabric8io d-m-p) is replying to some of the arguments
14:36 poikilotherm
This could be interesting, too :-) https://ro14nd.de/jib-vs-dmp
14:37 pdurbin
ok but maybe not today
14:37 poikilotherm
About the Glassfish thing: seems that Glassfish was moved to Jakarta EE
14:38 pdurbin
Yes, Glassfish has been stuck at 80% for a while: https://www.eclipse.org/ee4j/status.php
14:38 poikilotherm
That seems to be frame around the hole Java EE, Glassfish and related stuff in the post-oracle-era
14:39 poikilotherm
https://blogs.eclipse.org/post/tanja-obradovic/announcing-eclipse-glassfish-510-rc1-release
14:39 pdurbin
Oh! Nice!
14:40 poikilotherm
Do you think we should stick to Eclipse Glassfish instead of moving to Payara? This hole stuff seems to take more time to settle down..
14:40 pdurbin
"Dec 14 — Eclipse GlassFish 5.1 release. All CTS tests are passed." https://dmitrykornilov.net/2018/10/22/first-year-of-eclipse-ee4j/
14:41 poikilotherm
Payara is related to Eclipse Glassfish anyway
14:41 poikilotherm
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ee4j.glassfish
14:43 pdurbin
I don't know which horse to bet on. I just get nervous when software isn't updated. Glassfish hasn't had a release since 2017-09-21 by Oracle so it's good to hear that Eclipse has a release candidate out. What do you think?
14:44 poikilotherm
As Payara is involved in the upstream, it seems there might be only a sheet of paper fitting between Glassfish 5 and Payara 5
14:45 pdurbin
Maybe several sheets since there have been regular Payara 5.x releases. Payara is fixing bugs etc.
14:45 poikilotherm
Maybe it's better to look into Payara. Some people might be eager to get upstream support contracts and I don't know if Eclipse will offer them
14:46 pdurbin
Yeah, I have no idea about support from Eclipse.
14:46 poikilotherm
Yes, but they seemed to push back into upstream
14:46 pdurbin
Ok, so you think Eclipse Glassfish 5.1 will have all the bugfixes from Payara. That's good.
14:47 poikilotherm
Maybe for now get us ready for Payara/Glassfish 5 and let's see what happens. This step is a big effort, but I feel like the step moving between both once we are on 5 is much smaller
14:47 pdurbin
Ok. And again, instead we could try moving to Payara 4 if you want. A smaller step.
14:47 poikilotherm
Mostly because of Payara being the only other active member of the EE4J Glassfish next to Oracle for now... ;-)
14:52 pdurbin
:)
14:52 poikilotherm
https://www.payara.fish/support/support-lifecycle
14:52 poikilotherm
Are you sure you want to bet on Payara 4?
14:53 poikilotherm
This will buy you time till early 2022.
14:53 poikilotherm
And I don't know if "maintenance" means "buy a license"
14:55 poikilotherm
Oh oh... https://www.payara.fish/support/release-streams/
14:55 poikilotherm
Doesn't look like using Payara 4 without a license is a thing that will save you from headaches...
14:56 pdurbin
Hmm, I hadn't see this. Thanks.
14:56 pdurbin
It looks like Payara 5 will get patches until 2026.
14:56 pdurbin
Assuming Payara is still in business then. :)
14:57 poikilotherm
And for now you at least get updates from the "community stream"
14:57 poikilotherm
Maybe not for all eternity, but hopefully long enough to get around with EE4J Glassfish 5.1+
14:58 pdurbin
yeah
14:59 poikilotherm
Or do you think it might be a good idea to go for EE4J now?
14:59 poikilotherm
At least there is a RC1
14:59 pdurbin
Yeah, the RC is news to me. A good sign.
14:59 poikilotherm
In some communities this is considered stable enough for testing
14:59 pdurbin
Signs of life.
14:59 poikilotherm
And a release mid december sound like a plan...
15:00 pdurbin
yeah
15:00 poikilotherm
At least this is no all new product, it is based on the long lasting glassfish stuff
15:00 pdurbin
Sure.
15:00 poikilotherm
And those guys will not release things that will blow up the next time you look at it
15:01 poikilotherm
This is a testing field for dataverse, too, maybe this can go hand in hand?
15:01 pdurbin
Should we ask on the dataverse-community list if people have opinions about Glassfish vs. Payara? I don't personally run Dataverse in production. I just hack on the code. :)
15:01 * poikilotherm
checking back with my colleague about this...
15:09 * donsizemore
just wants a stable, secure platform
15:09 pdurbin
amen
15:10 poikilotherm
My colleague doesn't bother... :-D
15:13 poikilotherm
Actually, Payara 5 seems to be stable for now. And as a I said, there is not as much distance between EE4J Glassfish and Payara than with EE4J Glassfish and Wildfly
15:14 poikilotherm
Asking the community seems to be a good idea
15:14 pdurbin
poikilotherm: do you want to ask? :)
15:20 poikilotherm
I would prefer if you guys could move first :-D Don't want to get shot ;-)
15:25 pdurbin
Heh. That makes sense.
15:25 pdurbin
Maybe donsizemore will ask. :)
15:30 pdurbin
Jim__: any thoughts on Glassfish vs. Payara?
15:31 pdurbin
juancorr: same question
15:31 pdurbin
jri: same question
15:31 pdurbin
andrewSC: you're behind a firewall so maybe you're not as concerned :)
15:32 pdurbin
bricas: how about you? Glassfish or Payara?
15:40 Jim__
re G vs P - no, but supportive of getting off the old version...
15:42 pdurbin
Sure. Nobody wants to be stuck on old stuff we have to patch manually. Thanks.
15:44 jri
I don't really know Payara (or the Java ecosystem in general), so my thought worth what it's worth (which mean not so much :) ) but I was always thinking that glassfish was overkill to just run a .war (inside the admin JVM ...). It could be cool to use an application server if we can use it for easy clustering or run also the solr JVM, etc.
15:45 jri
(I'm sorry it's a very quick answer)
15:45 andrewSC
;)
15:46 jri
but... Payara admin interface looks fancy :P
15:46 pdurbin
jri: thanks, you should take a look at https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/5187 and consider leaving a comment. :)
15:47 jri
for me it's same thing but different... but still same thing
15:47 jri
ok :) I'll try
15:47 poikilotherm
Ok guys, I appreciate your feedback and will read up the logs. Have to go now to pick up kids.
15:47 poikilotherm
Cu all
15:53 juancorr
pdurbin: Sorry don't know Payara
15:53 pdurbin
juancorr: it's a fork of Glassfish, basically. They offer paid support.
15:57 juancorr
Thank you. We probably will not use the paid support.
15:59 pdurbin
I assume most won't. The paid support is optional. The main thing I'm interested in from Payara is regular patches/releases. Please see the chart at https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/4172#issuecomment-340774938 for a comparison of Oracle Glassfish vs. Payara.
15:59 pdurbin
But! As we discussed above, we just learned that Eclipse Glassfish has a release candidate out.
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17:39 pameyer
poikilotherm (for when you chech the logs): I'm got a little chance to follow up on multi-stage builds, and it seems like it could definately help startup times on images
17:40 pameyer
still needs some fine tuning
17:40 pameyer
but proof of concept works (and for interesting coincidences, I'm at a cloud-related meeting today)
17:41 pdurbin
pameyer: how's that meeting going?
17:46 pameyer
pdurbin: interesting so far
17:47 pdurbin
cool
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18:53 pameyer
pdurbin: Dan from redhat was talking about one of the openshift projects he was involved with
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