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13:53 bjonnh
I registered #dataverse on libera
13:53 bjonnh
In case you are not aware freenode started to steal channels that talk about libera in their topic
13:54 bjonnh
(I'll repost that once pdurbin joins)
13:59 pdurbin joined #dataverse
14:00 pdurbin
bjonnh: oh! Thanks! Do you happen to know their policy on logging?
14:00 bjonnh
I think it is fine as long as you say you do
14:00 bjonnh
let me check
14:01 pdurbin
thanks
14:01 bjonnh
https://libera.chat/policies#public-logging
14:01 bjonnh
yes it is allowed
14:01 bjonnh
as long as you say you do
14:01 bjonnh
ideally you need a way to block logging from someone
14:01 bjonnh
something like
14:02 bjonnh
nolog My supersecret message to the group
14:03 pdurbin
Thanks for the link. Looks clear enough. I *think* iqlogbot already supports that nolog thing but it's a different keyword. If you want to poke around in the code it's at https://github.com/pdurbin/philbot
14:03 pdurbin
sivoais: yes, it's in Perl. :)
14:04 bjonnh
great
14:06 bjonnh
I don't see any keyword filtering in ilbot2.p
14:06 bjonnh
pl
14:08 pdurbin
I think it was added (as "off") after I forked. Just one-line, it looks like: https://github.com/moritz/ilbot/commit/9b6a528076b1dd616fd26b2833d25b31ef31c37f
14:09 pdurbin
But then a follow up fix here, I guess: https://github.com/moritz/ilbot/commit/8411edca80a8261192c6bf0fc61d42ab01683f17
14:10 pdurbin
Anyway, ilbot is not maintained so if we want this feature, we should put it in philbot.
14:11 pdurbin
Of course we could also consider non-IRC stuff. My main requirement is a SLOPI solution: http://blog.greptilian.com/2020/01/25/slopi-communication/ (not Slack, please).
14:11 pdurbin
To be honest, I've never heard of libera chat. What do we know about them?
14:15 bjonnh
it is made from all the good staff of freenode
14:15 bjonnh
that left after the takeover
14:15 bjonnh
they are using similar infrastructure from freenode
14:16 bjonnh
so they are people we can trust, and many if not most FOSS projects already migrated
14:18 pdurbin
Thanks. The timing is interesting because I need to get iqlogbot off a VMWare VM in the basement of our building at work and onto a new VM hosted by a different group. I was planning on switching from ilbot to philbot (and hopefully upgrade from Shout to The Lounge) but not switching networks too. :)
14:19 bjonnh
yep libera had some issues in the beginning when the flock moved over
14:19 bjonnh
now it seems pretty stable
14:19 bjonnh
I have only 2 channels I'm on that didn't migrate (from 15-20)
14:20 pdurbin
wow
14:21 bjonnh
wikipedia and ubuntu had their channels taken over, so I guess that probably motivated a lot of people to move :D
14:21 pdurbin
!
14:21 pdurbin
I guess it warms my heart that people still like IRC . :)
14:22 bjonnh
It is not that we like IRC
14:22 bjonnh
it is that we hate slack and discord etc :D
14:23 pdurbin
heh
14:23 pdurbin
Do we like Gitter?
14:23 bjonnh
the good thing with gitter is that it is connected easily with matrix
14:23 bjonnh
matrix connects easily with IRC as well (they are finalizing the bridge to libera)
14:25 pdurbin
I keep forgetting about Matrix. What I like about Gitter is that it's SLOPI by default.
14:26 bjonnh
well I let you decide
14:26 pdurbin
I mean, we have a newish community Slack.
14:27 pdurbin
So people like me are in two Slack workspaces. One for IQSS and one for the community.
14:27 bjonnh
I would probably not join slack
14:27 bjonnh
I have too many of them already, and I hate them
14:27 pdurbin
And I'm in this chat that greatly predates both.
14:27 bjonnh
it requires so much attention and ressources
14:28 bjonnh
and it is a pain to find information
14:28 pdurbin
For a different project I'm 40% on (OpenDP), we're talking tomorrow about communication channels. There's a Gitter channel set up but we may not stick with it. I'm not sure what chat solution to go with, to be honest.
14:30 pdurbin
We're talking about using GitHub discussions (which I've never used) but that's not chat. Not real time, which I love. :)
14:31 bjonnh
whatever you see fit
14:31 bjonnh
never used github discussions
14:32 bjonnh
I have a project spread between gitlab and github
14:32 bjonnh
that I'm probably going to make full github
14:32 bjonnh
if I had the time, energy and personnel, I would probably have our own instance of gitlab
14:32 bjonnh
but β¦
14:33 bjonnh
for now I just have our own gitlab runner and that shouldn't be too much work to switch all the CI to a github runner
14:33 pdurbin
If GitHub offered a SLOPI chat, I'd probably take a close look. :) Speaking of CI, I've been playing with GitHub Actions and I like it.
14:34 pdurbin
But yeah, I hear you, ideally all this would run on servers you control. GitLab and RocketChat or whatever.
14:35 bjonnh
yeah that's also the reason why we want to switch
14:35 bjonnh
we have the website generated from hugo using github actions
14:35 bjonnh
and it works really well
14:35 pdurbin
I'm doing the same but with Sphinx instead of Hugo.
14:42 pdurbin
Ah, it looks like this project (part of OpenDP) just turned on GitHub Discussions: https://github.com/opendp/dpcreator/discussions
14:45 bjonnh
hah
16:06 poikilotherm
Go matrix go matrix π
16:07 poikilotherm
Donsizemore pdurbin I saw the chatter about testing on GitHub
16:07 pdurbin
Can we make Matrix SLOPI?
16:08 poikilotherm
Wdyt about moving the ITs to JUnit 5, using restassured and awaitily plus the fancy tags by Junit5?
16:08 poikilotherm
It allows for easier selection of what tests to run
16:09 poikilotherm
Not by maintaining a list but by managing the tags in the test code
16:09 pdurbin
That sounds better. Reminds me of how we annotate some tests as "slow running" or something.
16:09 poikilotherm
Matrix SLOPI: kind off. There are some services to do that. Dunno if we could port an IRC log bot to Matrix
16:10 pdurbin
This is the repo I've been keeping an eye on: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-static
16:22 poikilotherm
It would also be a good idea to move the integration tests from surefire to the other plugin whose name I forgot...
16:22 poikilotherm
So they get tied to mvn verify instead of mvn test
16:22 poikilotherm
Results in not running them inside IDEs by default... π
16:23 poikilotherm
Hmm should be maven failsafe
16:23 poikilotherm
https://maven.apache.org/surefire/maven-failsafe-plugin/
16:24 pdurbin
Right now I only run IT tests in my IDE here and there. Specific classes, specific tests. Not the whole IT test suite (which takes a while).
16:25 poikilotherm
They are picked up by IntelliJ dir example when running the tests for Dataverse.
16:25 poikilotherm
Need to manually exclude them
16:25 poikilotherm
Integration tests should not be used with surefire but failsafe
16:26 poikilotherm
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28986005/what-is-the-difference-between-the-maven-surefire-and-maven-failsafe-plugins/34253626
16:26 poikilotherm
I think we chatted about this already a few times π
16:27 poikilotherm
If there is demand and drive to get this done now, I'm all in π
16:27 pdurbin
yeah we have
16:27 pdurbin
poikilotherm: can you please add a comment to https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/7897 ? With your proposal.
16:28 poikilotherm
From the bottom of my heart I believe we should go fo test containers and arquillian but small steps... π
16:28 poikilotherm
Tags?
16:28 poikilotherm
Or also about using failsafe
16:29 pdurbin
You and Don want the same thing: a mvn command to call. So whatever gets us there. :)
16:29 poikilotherm
LOL
16:29 poikilotherm
Ok, will do so. But tomorrow. No fun copy pasting links to resources on mobile
16:30 pdurbin
My idea was to at least factor out the list of tests to a file. This should unblock Don who is trying to call tests from podman/docker.
16:30 pdurbin
My main interest is in keeping Don unblocked. Beauty later.
16:38 poikilotherm
WRT Matrix Log. Looks like all rooms on matrix.org Homeserver that are public get logged to view.matrix.org. we can just provide a link to a Dataverse chat Room there
16:38 bjonnh
yep
16:38 bjonnh
I vote for that option
16:38 poikilotherm
Pdurbin should we try that?
16:39 poikilotherm
Creating a #dataverse:matrix.org should be fairly easy to do
16:41 poikilotherm
I can't from my mobile client, as I have my own Homeserver. You need an account on the Homeserver matrix.org to create a room there.
16:41 bjonnh
do you want me to create it?
16:42 poikilotherm
Sure go ahead
16:42 bjonnh
done
16:42 pdurbin
If you can set up SLOPI chat on Matrix, please go ahead.
16:42 pdurbin
Please send a link to the logs when you can.
16:43 bjonnh
https://app.element.io/#/room/!AmypvmJtUjBesRrnLM:matrix .org
16:43 bjonnh
that's the room
16:44 bjonnh
I just did set
16:44 bjonnh
Who can read history? Anyone
16:44 bjonnh
lets see if it works
16:44 bjonnh
poikilotherm: do it again
16:44 bjonnh
for posterity
16:45 poikilotherm
Done π
16:46 bjonnh
yep it works
16:46 bjonnh
you don't need an account
16:46 bjonnh
pdurbin:^
16:46 bjonnh
to read history, you need one to talk
16:47 pdurbin
Looks good! Thanks! Next step: data liberation. Currently I periodically download it from http://dvn-vm1.hmdc.harvard.edu/data/mysql/irclog/irclog.tsv
16:50 pdurbin
(side note: logs show up here already, which is nice: https://view.matrix.org/room/!AmypvmJtUjBesRrnLM:matrix.org/ )
16:52 pdurbin
(also https://view.matrix.org/alias/%23dataverse:matrix.org )
16:57 bjonnh
neat
16:59 bjonnh
this is now officially my last freenode channel
17:00 bjonnh
let me know once you are a matrixian
17:34 poikilotherm
Pdurbin we could use matrix-recorder with brave dataverse-bot to record the history every day and store it in a github repo
17:35 poikilotherm
If you want to play around with the Β chat logs using scripts
17:35 poikilotherm
Uses a sqlite db
17:36 poikilotherm
Scheduled Jenkins job on jenkins.dataverse.org or try scheduled GitHub Actions
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18:37 sivoais
pdurbin++ for the SLOPI concept. Love it.
18:48 pdurbin
:)
18:51 bjonnh
I'm tempted to send that link to a slack community I have to be on
18:52 pdurbin
:) :)
19:41 sivoais
heheh :-P
20:29 pdurbin
poikilotherm: sounds fine but how would that work? The iqlogbot model where it has to sit in the channel all the time (and can be down/unavailable) or a different model where it scrapes logs from view.matrix.org (or elsewhere?) and puts the logs in sqlite or whatever.
20:30 poikilotherm
https://gitlab.com/argit/matrix-recorder
20:37 pdurbin
"Itβs alpha code - donβt use it for important archiving tasks."
20:37 pdurbin
like that ever scared us
20:38 pdurbin
I think the next logical step for me is to actually get in the new channel. :)
20:39 pdurbin
bjonnh poikilotherm: what Matrix client do you use?
20:39 poikilotherm
Element
20:40 poikilotherm
On Linux + Android
20:40 poikilotherm
Should be around on Mac and iPhone, too
20:40 poikilotherm
You can also use one of the many web clients out there.
20:42 pdurbin
I kind of hate web clients for chat. I'm downloading Element for Mac. Thanks.
20:42 poikilotherm
https://app.element.io/#/welcome
20:42 poikilotherm
It's easy to use for a first shot
20:43 poikilotherm
Element in the web page is just the same on desktop
20:43 poikilotherm
s/in/on
20:44 poikilotherm
And you can use as many clients you want in parallel on arbitrary number of devices. All with the same account, same data, distributed to all of 'em
20:44 poikilotherm
It gets trickier when using E2E encryption, but we shouldn't worry about that for a public channel... π
20:46 pdurbin
So, I have a fake account on Matrix. I guess I could join with the fake one or I could create a real one. What's a good onboarding experience for someone who doesn't have a Matrix account? (We'll have to explain this to everyone.)
20:47 pdurbin
(I don't remember how I created my fake account anyway.)
20:48 bjonnh
pdurbin: I use element web, element android and gomuks (for command line)
20:48 pdurbin
Haven't heard of gomuks. Thanks.
20:48 bjonnh
pdurbin: it is just about "join #dataverse:matrix.org"
20:49 bjonnh
I think if you do join channel it is already in the list if you start typing dataverse
20:49 pdurbin
Right but don't I need a Matrix account?
20:52 pdurbin
I just launched the Element app on Mac and there's a "Create Account" button. I guess I'll try that.
20:53 poikilotherm
You need a matrix account
20:53 poikilotherm
No way around that. They still haven't reenabled anonymous access
20:54 pdurbin
I'm tempted to create an account based on my harvard google account.
20:54 poikilotherm
https://matrix.to/#/ #dataverse:matrix.org
20:56 poikilotherm
One day we might think about creating a homeserver for dataverse.org or gdcc.io
21:01 pdurbin
Not today but at least I got in the matrix room. Have a good night, all!
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21:54 bjonnh
I'll close here as it is my last freenode channel
21:54 bjonnh
see yall on matrix
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