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JonathanNeal |
hello all, pdurbin |
| 15:50 |
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pdurbin |
JonathanNeal: hi! here to follow up on http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-10-23/line/1382579057 ? :) |
| 15:51 |
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JonathanNeal |
I'm always interested in new data schemes. |
| 15:51 |
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pdurbin |
aren't we all |
| 15:51 |
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JonathanNeal |
Had to write this down last night just to feel cozy again https://github.com/jonathantneal/internet-time |
| 15:51 |
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JonathanNeal |
are your unique identifiers the md5 hash? |
| 15:52 |
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pdurbin |
DVN has two unique identifiers |
| 15:52 |
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pdurbin |
1. DOI for a permanent URL |
| 15:53 |
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pdurbin |
2. UNF is sort of our md5 |
| 15:53 |
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pdurbin |
more on UNF: http://thedata.org/book/universal-numerical-fingerprint |
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pdurbin |
here's an example of a DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.7910/DVN1/22691 |
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JonathanNeal |
Lookin' |
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JonathanNeal |
so is it 10.7910, DVN1, or 2269? |
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pdurbin |
JonathanNeal: sorry, was out to lunch. literally |
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JonathanNeal |
don't abuse the "literally" word. |
| 17:08 |
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pdurbin |
:) |
| 17:10 |
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pdurbin |
10.7910 is the prefix. might have another name |
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pdurbin |
DVN1 is the shoulder |
| 17:11 |
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pdurbin |
2269 is the unique identifier for that combination of prefix and shoulder |
| 17:12 |
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pdurbin |
JonathanNeal: more at http://n2t.net/ezid/doc/apidoc.html for example |
| 18:39 |
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pdurbin |
axfelix: great demo! thanks! \o/ |
| 18:40 |
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axfelix |
pdurbin: our pleasure! |
| 18:40 |
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pdurbin |
axfelix: hey so... we just thought of something |
| 18:40 |
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pdurbin |
after we hung up (of course) |
| 18:40 |
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pdurbin |
:) |
| 18:40 |
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axfelix |
of course |
| 18:40 |
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pdurbin |
what about the boolean for dataverse has been released? |
| 18:41 |
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pdurbin |
axfelix: does that ring a bell? |
| 18:41 |
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axfelix |
hm, you mean going back to distinguishing between draft == not released and other states? |
| 18:42 |
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pdurbin |
no, sorry |
| 18:42 |
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pdurbin |
draft is a study thing |
| 18:42 |
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pdurbin |
I'm talking about a dataverse |
| 18:42 |
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pdurbin |
axfelix: here, check this out: http://thedata.harvard.edu/guides/dataverse-api-main.html#determine-if-a-dataverse-has-been-released |
| 18:42 |
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axfelix |
ah, right, okay |
| 18:43 |
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pdurbin |
"dataverseHasBeenReleased" |
| 18:43 |
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pdurbin |
it's a bit of a chicken and the egg problem |
| 18:43 |
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pdurbin |
you can't release a dataverse until it has a released study |
| 18:44 |
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axfelix |
so on the assumption that a new dataverse has been created for the first time... |
| 18:44 |
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pdurbin |
yeah |
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axfelix |
and it's being used for the first time with the OJS plugin... |
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pdurbin |
yeah |
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axfelix |
you can't actually release it until the plugin has already pushed a study in there, but that necessitates a hop over to the DVN interface which might not be immediately obvious? |
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pdurbin |
exactly |
| 18:45 |
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axfelix |
but we wouldn't want to trigger it automatically, as presumably there's a reason you bothered including the boolean |
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pdurbin |
so maybe add some ANGRY RED if a dataverse hasn't been released yet... and provide a link to the DVN gui ... "please go release the dataverse" |
| 18:45 |
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axfelix |
so maybe an OJS notification every time an article linking to DV is accepted/published notifying you that the DV itself has not been released yet, and a toggle to be able to make that change from within OJS? |
| 18:46 |
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axfelix |
or, OK, it can't be toggled from OJS itself, that's fine too |
| 18:46 |
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pdurbin |
well, hold on |
| 18:46 |
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pdurbin |
you *can't* release (or unrelease) a *dataverse* through the API. it must be done through the DVN gui. which is why I'm saying a link to the gui would be nice |
| 18:47 |
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axfelix |
I don't have a problem with that, it sounds like this merits actually going into the DVN interface and we're not trying to keep editors/JM out of there by any means |
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axfelix |
can do |
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pdurbin |
awesome |
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pdurbin |
looks like it's in some meeting minutes from 2013-09-09 if that helps |
| 18:48 |
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axfelix |
frankly I imagine I misunderstood at the time so I appreciate you clarifying now |
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pdurbin |
oh sure |
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pdurbin |
I mean, releasing a dataverse is a one time thing, typically |
| 18:49 |
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pdurbin |
once it's released, it stays released. and it's for the whole journal |
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axfelix |
right |
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JonathanNeal |
How do you guys create a unique ID for something that is material? Like a book, or a car? |
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pdurbin |
JonathanNeal: heh. we don't typically store cars in a dataverse. binaries only, please ;) |
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pdurbin |
flat files are ok |
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pdurbin |
nothing physical |
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JonathanNeal |
Oh, so it's a digital cataloging system. |
| 18:50 |
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pdurbin |
JonathanNeal: yep |
| 18:51 |
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pdurbin |
axfelix: so are we all set? we just don't want authors to be surprised that no one can see their data because the author created the first study in a dataverse and the dataverse hasn't been released yet |
| 18:52 |
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axfelix |
yeah, this should be very straightforward on our end |
| 18:52 |
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pdurbin |
axfelix: great. I'm telling you... ANGRY RED |
| 18:52 |
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axfelix |
it'll let you know if clarification needed, but it'll make it into the testing build |
| 18:52 |
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axfelix |
hah, understood |
| 18:53 |
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pdurbin |
awesome |
| 18:55 |
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pdurbin |
axfelix: thanks again. great demo. I just wanted to make sure this detail doesn't slip through the cracks |
| 18:56 |
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axfelix |
no problem, small workflow stuff like that is easy for us |
| 18:56 |
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pdurbin |
great |
| 19:32 |
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pdurbin |
hooray! great pull request! https://github.com/dvn/dvn-install-demo/pull/1 |
| 19:32 |
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pdurbin |
I just merged it in |
| 19:33 |
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pdurbin |
and I especially like that he wrote "thanks to Philip Durbin for a really great installation experience" -- https://github.com/IQSS/dvn/wiki/DVN-Install-Demo-on-Windows-7 :) |
| 19:39 |
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pdurbin |
many thanks to https://github.com/richarddunks for the pull request and the wiki contribution :) |
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