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07:41 bencomp
I see v4.2 has been released :)
07:42 * bencomp
starts adjusting internal roadmap
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09:38 romainM
hi
09:51 bencomp
romainM: bonjour :)
09:52 romainM
oh, monsieur se met à parler français ? :)
09:55 romainM
sorry if I nearly killed you with that french sentence, that wasn't my intention !
09:58 romainM
is pdurbin around here ? I have some questions about dataverse
09:58 romainM
(more specifically, about autocomplete functionalities)
10:41 pdurbin
bencomp: yep. I imagine we'll tweet about it soon: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/releases/tag/v4.2
10:43 pdurbin
romainM: you can ask about about autocomplete but I just woke up. need breakfast, coffee, gym, bike to work, etc :)
10:46 bencomp
romainM: vous pouvez répéter plus lentement, s'il vous plaît? I learned (some) French in high school
11:02 romainM
pdurbin: I was wondering if autocomplete fields were intended for dataverse (for authors, for example ?)
11:03 romainM
bencomp: nice. I was wonderig, what "main" foreign languages you learn at school ? spanish ?
11:05 bencomp
romainM: English, German and French. But because I chose a "technical stream" of courses, I did less French and German and was only tested on my reading and listening skills
11:05 romainM
I'm not very used to american school system ^^"
11:05 bencomp
I'm Dutch :)
11:05 romainM
oh
11:06 bencomp
we're in the same time zone :)
11:06 romainM
that change a lot of things !
11:06 romainM
I thought you were one of the "harvard's guys"
11:06 romainM
:D
11:06 bencomp
they wish ;)
11:07 bencomp
or maybe not, as I'm mostly bugging them to fix basic Java stuff :)
11:08 romainM
so you're related to the DANS dataverse ?
11:08 romainM
or just a guy who saw some light around there ? :D
11:08 bencomp
yes, I'm the network admin for dataverse.nl
11:09 romainM
okay, that makes sense
11:09 bencomp
a.k.a. "back office" for Dutch universities
11:13 romainM
do you know if dataverse 3 had some autocomplete functionalities for datasets fields ?
11:13 romainM
I haven't used datverse 3 a lot, so I don't know a lot about the previous functionalities
11:14 romainM
(for example, the authors fields, I think it could be a good thing for users, instead of repeating or, worse, do mistakes)
11:14 pdurbin
we do wish :)
11:15 romainM
hey !
11:15 romainM
that's an incoming feature ?
11:15 pdurbin
no, I mean we do wish bencomp worked for us :)
11:15 romainM
oh
11:15 pdurbin
romainM: you can read the sad story of autocomplete here: Autocomplete feature for 4.0 search · Issue #108 · IQSS/dataverse - https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/108
11:16 romainM
sad ?
11:16 romainM
everybody die at the end ?
11:16 pdurbin
not *that* sad
11:16 romainM
ok
11:16 romainM
^^
11:17 pdurbin
I *would* like to work on autocomplete some more, complete my training, face Darth Vader, etc.
11:17 romainM
ok
11:18 bencomp
lol
11:18 romainM
I think you can do all of that in one life, that's a good thing to know
11:20 romainM
and what about "simple" autocomplete dataset field ?
11:21 romainM
I don't know how dataverse's db is, concretely, but it should be easier to do, no ?
11:21 romainM
(or I didn't get the problem :S)
11:22 pdurbin
romainM: actually, come to think of it, there *is* autocomplete for some things. for example, when you assign permissions, you type part of someone's name
11:22 pdurbin
there might be some more places too. that issue I talked about was only about search
11:23 romainM
yes, so I get the problem
11:23 romainM
the general search is messier than simple field
11:24 pdurbin
well, the bugginess was all UI stuff, hard to explain... stuff jumping around while you're trying to type. I'd like to try it outside of JSF to try to isolate the problem. try it with just html5 and jquery directly into Solr or something
11:25 pdurbin
anyway, gonna head to the gym before work. back soon
11:25 romainM
ok
11:25 romainM
hf
12:30 pdurbin
romainM: anyway, please feel free to leave a comment on that autocomplete issue if you want
12:32 romainM
given my question was about dataset's fields, maybe I should make another issue ?
12:32 pdurbin
let me go read what you wrote again
12:33 pdurbin
romainM: you mean when you are creating a dataset? and the author could autocomplete?
12:33 romainM
ya
12:33 romainM
that's it
12:33 pdurbin
so we already prepopulate the author with the person who is logged in...
12:34 pdurbin
but you mean you click the plus sign to add another author... and it should autocomplete?
12:34 pdurbin
(for example)
12:34 romainM
when starting to write, you get some "choices" according to what you write
12:35 romainM
based on fields already filled in other datasets
12:35 romainM
in the present dataverse or all dataverses, idk
12:35 pdurbin
right, makes sense. I agree it would be a nice feature
12:36 romainM
and with that ...
12:36 pdurbin
romainM: please do feel free to create an issue, a feature request per https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
12:36 romainM
why not rending the names "links" to presearched data about "this" name, for example ?
12:37 pdurbin
romainM: names of the authors?
12:37 romainM
yes
12:37 pdurbin
romainM: please feel free to create an issue about that too :)
12:37 romainM
maybe other fields, I don't know
12:38 romainM
but author's would be a very nice good start :)
12:38 pdurbin
so would it be the equivalent of running a search and clicking on the author's name under a facet?
12:38 romainM
for the second thing I was talking about, yes
12:39 pdurbin
a search at the root level? or a search at the level of the dataverse you're looking at?
12:39 romainM
for this, I don't know
12:39 romainM
I would say a global research
12:39 romainM
you want to find every elements of "that" author
12:40 romainM
so, I would say root
12:40 pdurbin
right. and hopefully there aren't too many researchers with the same name :)
12:40 romainM
I hope
12:40 romainM
^
12:42 romainM
so, I make a feature request for both ? that's enough relevant ?
12:42 pdurbin
romainM: yes, both please
12:43 romainM
ok
12:48 romainM
actually, that could works for keywords too
12:49 romainM
in order to have common keywords between dataset, instead of "specifics" keywords unused by any dataset that could, actually, use
12:49 pdurbin
yep, but astronomers might get grumpy about having a bunch of social science keywords suggested
12:49 romainM
ah ?
12:50 romainM
maybe keywords could be restained to the dataverse itself, as opposed to the authors one
12:51 pdurbin
yeah
12:51 romainM
but ... I admit that it would not be "that" useful when I think about it like that
12:51 romainM
dunno
12:51 romainM
maybe
12:51 pdurbin
romainM: have you played with templates yet?
12:51 romainM
if you mean the prefilled datas, then yes
12:52 pdurbin
yeah
12:53 romainM
it's a good addition too, but I don't think it's "enough" for all the usecases
12:53 romainM
and the autocomplete may be good for the "others" cases
12:53 romainM
(still a personal thought, I may be completly wrong)
12:55 romainM
for the second idea, the "presearch", I think it's a good addition to keywords in any cases
12:56 pdurbin
yeah. we already have facets. we could try to make more use of them, like you're saying
12:56 romainM
it works as a wiki like that, and may be easier for the users to see datasets related to what they want
12:56 romainM
instead of doing a new research themselves
12:56 romainM
facets ?
12:56 pdurbin
that's what we call the things on the left of the homepage
12:57 pdurbin
"Subject", "Author Name" etc
12:57 romainM
oh yeah, I understand now
12:58 romainM
that's the same thing, yes
13:00 * bencomp
hopes people will comment on https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/1515
13:00 pdurbin
bencomp: I was just reading your post. Thanks. Shibboleth groups use cases - Google Groups - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/dataverse-community/FviyNJ-sc0c/29bOpQ64BgAJ
13:01 pdurbin
maybe it's just as well that we didn't add the group regex feature. if that wouldn't be flexible enough :)
13:01 bencomp
pdurbin: I figured I was allowed to ask as co-coordinator of the auth group
13:01 bencomp
:)
13:02 pdurbin
bencomp: that reminds me. have you seen the new http://dataverse.org ?
13:03 bencomp
well, while writing the email I thought maybe I should ask the IdPs to provide the scopedAffiliation or if that's not good enough, a specific other attribute
13:03 bencomp
haven't yet
13:04 romainM
oh
13:04 romainM
the little dataverse's turning things are gone
13:05 pdurbin
bencomp: we're still working with the Harvard IdP on getting more attributes. medical school vs. law school, etc
13:05 bencomp
ooh, fancy
13:06 pdurbin
:)
13:06 bencomp
pdurbin: so you think groups may need multiple attributes?
13:06 pdurbin
romainM: turning things? oh, the "cards". yeah, now it's a map of Dataverse installations
13:06 romainM
yep, cards. Sorry, tried to define it with my "own" words :D
13:06 bencomp
... groups in the Harvard Dataverse...
13:07 pdurbin
bencomp: not sure yet. I guess I'm wondering how heavily you use Shibboleth groups in your fork of DVN 3.x. It's all new to us.
13:08 romainM
pdurbin: dataverse 4.2 is "really" out or harvard just got a preview of it ?
13:08 romainM
ok nvm, just looked at the release part
13:09 pdurbin
romainM: we always eat our own dogfood first and deploy to https://dataverse.harvard.edu before me make a war file available to others. But yes, it's there: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/releases/tag/v4.2
13:09 bencomp
pdurbin: we don't, at the moment.
13:10 pdurbin
bencomp: ok, so you won't be losing funtionality
13:10 bencomp
it's one of the things we have been looking out for... :)
13:11 pdurbin
sure. I think it'll be a nice feature
13:11 pdurbin
one we can list under "features" at http://dataverse.org some day
13:16 bencomp
heh
13:37 romainM
I just posted the features
13:37 romainM
(sorry for the time, had to do something before)
13:43 * pdurbin
looks
13:43 pdurbin
Feature request: Make some dataset fields autocomplete ? · Issue #2603 · IQSS/dataverse - https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2603
13:43 pdurbin
Feature request: Presearch links in dataset metadatas ? · Issue #2604 · IQSS/dataverse - https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2604
13:53 romainM
my last sentence on the second request is ambigous, I should edit it
13:55 romainM
done
13:55 pdurbin
romainM: go for it. I just added some comments
13:55 romainM
ty
13:57 romainM
for the issues labels, can I add some as a simple user, or it's a contributor tool ?
13:57 romainM
didn't find out where, if "I can" :S
13:57 pdurbin
I can add some labels for you.
13:58 pdurbin
done
13:58 romainM
(was just to add "type: feature", to make it more clear, even if I added "feature" in the title
13:58 romainM
ty
13:58 romainM
(feature or suggestion, I should have write suggestion maybe ?)
13:59 pdurbin
I added both :)
13:59 romainM
ok
13:59 romainM
srry for disturbing
13:59 romainM
I'm sometimes maniac for pointless things
13:59 pdurbin
heh. no, no, I'm glad the ideas are written down now :)
14:01 pdurbin
keep 'em coming :)
14:02 romainM
august is the grumpy guy ?
14:02 romainM
:D
14:02 pdurbin
lolz
14:02 pdurbin
he's great
14:02 pdurbin
anyway...
14:02 pdurbin
Dataverse v4.2 Released - Google Groups - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/dataverse-community/T7QYpVgansI
14:03 romainM
just saw that yep
14:03 romainM
I can officially bother my admin sys to update our dataverse
14:08 pdurbin
romainM: you can show your sysadmin this too: Installation guide improvement and reorganisation proposal - Google Groups - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/dataverse-community/qujUFJDYXG0/0BhECCp0HQAJ
14:13 romainM
I will
14:15 pdurbin
thanks
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pdurbin: how's the meeting?
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23:54 pdurbin
bencomp: good meeting. we updated the notes
23:57 pdurbin
linked from Harvesting (OAI-PMH) Functional Requirements Document (FRD) - Google Groups - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/dataverse-community/Af05ousk4Sc
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buenas
