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09:40 adiliaalves
hello
09:47 MrK
hi
11:25 pdurbin
MrK: thanks for being friendly to newcomers :)
11:29 pdurbin
and thanks for creating https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-docker/pull/11
12:08 MrK
pdurbin: no problem, I'm newcomer myself :D
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12:16 poikilotherm
Morning pdurbin :-)
12:16 poikilotherm
We have a break right now, so it thought I'd say hello
12:22 poikilotherm
About the discussion yesterday: RedHat does not apply the same standards to even paid services like JBoss EAP as they do for RHEL .
12:22 poikilotherm
Looking at https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-25/product_id-14972/Redhat-Jboss-Enterprise-Application-Platform.html
12:24 poikilotherm
I learn from that 1) there aren't many bugs to be fund in appservers, see also https://www.cvedetails.com/product/27107/Redhat-Jboss-Wildfly-Application-Server.html?vendor_id=25
12:25 poikilotherm
and 2) it seems even paid support doesn't mean you get sec patches a few days later. If you look at the CVEs, when they were found and when an updated has been provided, there is a lot of time in between
12:29 poikilotherm
Looking at https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_jboss_enterprise_application_platform/7.1/ it seems they use bundled updates, too
12:31 poikilotherm
Alright, we'll continue now... Read you later.
12:32 pdurbin
:)
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16:59 pdurbin
andrewSC beddari bjonnh bricas candy` donsizemore dzho jri xarthisius yoh_: the community call is about to begin: https://dataverse.org/community-calls
17:04 andrewSC
pdurbin: thanks for the heads up! Unfortunately not going to be able to join today :/
17:21 pdurbin
andrewSC: no worries
17:42 pdurbin
xarthisius: thanks for calling in!
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18:00 pdurbin
Here are the notes: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/dataverse-community/ALQVSZTWQz4/MOWI9se1AgAJ
18:00 pdurbin
donsizemore: you got a shout out
18:28 xarthisius
pdurbin: we're gonna try to be there from now on. Also, we are almost ready to show something to the community. However, we are affected by 50x errors at the moment. On our end it's unpleasant UX, cause it results in hangs on file operations
18:28 xarthisius
I believe Craig sent a report to support
18:29 pdurbin
xarthisius: I see something about 504 errors at https://help.hmdc.harvard.edu/Ticket/Display.html?id=269505 . Thanks for putting this on my radar.
18:40 pdurbin
xarthisius: maybe when you're ready you can share something here in IRC to start. Up to you. I assume you already have an external tool manifest ready. I'd be happy to load it into my "dev1" server if you want.
19:03 xarthisius
we don't have UI ready for our external tool consumer (it's here: https://github.com/whole-tale/dashboard/pull/287) , but ingesting data directly from WT side is already working fine
19:04 xarthisius
We are e.g. able to give WT DOI (doi:10.7910/DVN/HPB1CA) and launch it in RStudio to reproduce the study
19:04 pdurbin
awesome
19:07 pdurbin
xarthisius: is the a dev server I can try? It doesn't work at https://dashboard.wholetale.org/manage
19:07 pdurbin
there*
19:08 xarthisius
https://dashboard.xarth.wholetale.org/
19:13 xarthisius
pdurbin: there's an annoying bug with css in that particular deployment
19:14 xarthisius
modals can be shifted outside of window view, you may need to zoom out a bit :)
19:24 pdurbin
xarthisius: it worked! I just added some screenshots to https://github.com/whole-tale/dashboard/issues/269#issuecomment-440399337
19:33 pdurbin
and https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/5097#issuecomment-440402165
19:33 pdurbin
xarthisius: great stuff!
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19:39 poikilotherm
Greetings
19:40 poikilotherm
Sry, couldnt make it to community call today... Kids and stuff at home...
19:40 poikilotherm
18:00 is not a good time for me... ;-)
19:40 pameyer
poikilotherm: one of the ideas discussed was altering the scheduling to make it easier for folks in different timezones
19:41 pameyer
nothing concrete about that planned though
19:41 pdurbin
poikilotherm: and we talked about the connection quality. Notes are linked above. Thanks for reminding us about this.
19:41 poikilotherm
Oh that would be awesome
19:41 * poikilotherm
reads up the notes from the call
19:42 pdurbin
poikilotherm: in 20 minutes or so we have tech hours. On the agenda is "Upgrading from Glassfish 4.1". Would you like me to read a written statement from you? :)
19:45 poikilotherm
Do I need to provide a DOI for that?
19:45 poikilotherm
;)
19:45 poikilotherm
Sry, just kidding
19:46 pdurbin
heh, nope
19:46 poikilotherm
Dunno - do you think it might help?
19:46 pdurbin
the vibe I got from Matthew is that he and Gustavo are leaning toward Eclipse Glassfish 5.1 RC whatever
19:46 pdurbin
but all will be revealed soon, I guess
19:47 poikilotherm
Maybe you could point out that we are willing to spend manpower on these issues. And that we want to have a production system with Kubernetes. And that Config API would make it better for us, so that kind of would be an ROI...
19:48 poikilotherm
(And that means do not use Eclipse Glassfish as ConfigAPI will not be included as stated on Gitter by the devs)
19:49 pdurbin
What would you prefer that we use instead?
19:50 poikilotherm
In terms of availabilty: either Wildfly or Payara. Not many options anyway. OpenLiberty and Thorntail are out IMHO because of non-classic usage only.
19:50 pdurbin
Which version of Payara?
19:50 poikilotherm
Wildfly 14 or Payara 5
19:51 pdurbin
Thanks, I'll pass this along.
19:51 poikilotherm
(there is of course a plus sign attached to both...)
19:51 pdurbin
And pameyer can keep me honest. :)
19:53 poikilotherm
Oh and in case anybody asks about the amount of manpower... One full time equivalent can be assumed. That's me... ;-)
19:54 poikilotherm
pameyer: poor Jonathan... community call at 4am is tough
19:54 pdurbin
You do good work.
19:54 poikilotherm
Thx :-)
19:55 poikilotherm
You guys too :-)
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20:29 pdurbin
poiki-at-home: I think I lost. pameyer can confirm. I tried.
20:30 poiki-at-home
Oh...
20:30 poiki-at-home
Glad you tried
20:34 poiki-at-home
Was it something specific that made them stick to Eclipse Glassfish?
20:37 pdurbin
I don't have anything in writing.
20:42 pdurbin
There's a feeling that it will be easier and faster to move to Eclipse Glassfish 5.1 than Payara 5.x.
20:42 poiki-at-home
Interesting feeling... :-d
20:42 poiki-at-home
Sad to hear this is about feelings :'-(
20:45 pdurbin
maybe a thought instead of a feeling then :)
20:48 poiki-at-home
Alright, this will then need some script at startup that will setup the asadmin commands
20:49 poiki-at-home
(within the container)
20:49 poiki-at-home
That's ok, but not ideal
20:51 poiki-at-home
And I am stuck until 14th of December
20:52 poiki-at-home
At least I understood https://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_GlassFish_5.1_Release_Plan that there might be old deps within RC1
20:53 poiki-at-home
Oh, there seem to be nightly builds
20:53 pdurbin
stuck?
20:54 poiki-at-home
I can try to work against nightly builds
20:54 poiki-at-home
And see how far I can get
20:55 pdurbin
oh, I understand
20:56 poiki-at-home
The sadest part is about the database setup... That still is the old-school asadmin stuff
20:59 pdurbin
Yeah. It's what we know how to do.
21:03 poiki-at-home
I could as well use Glassfish 5.0...
21:03 poiki-at-home
Docker images for that are readily available
21:03 poiki-at-home
When I cant use ConfigAPI anyway, there is no need to go for 5.1
21:04 poiki-at-home
At least I can't think of a reason right now
21:04 poiki-at-home
Maybe dependencies
21:04 poiki-at-home
Need to look into that tomorrow
21:06 pdurbin
I'm a little surprised that there are no docker images for 5.1 but I haven't looked myself.
21:07 poiki-at-home
5.1 hasn't been released yet...
21:07 pdurbin
sure, but I can imagine nightly docker builds :)
21:10 poiki-at-home
https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/glassfish/issues/22598
21:11 poiki-at-home
Guys, are you serious?
21:11 pdurbin
hmm?
21:11 poiki-at-home
So, no - I can't use Glassfish 5.0
21:11 poiki-at-home
Grml
21:16 poiki-at-home
And no nightly builds available :-(
21:17 poiki-at-home
Ok, I will just carry on with Payara 5 images and then try to switch to 5.1 once it is released
21:17 poiki-at-home
Till then, this is kind of a fork
21:18 pdurbin
It seems like your hands are tied without Eclipse Glassfish 5.1 docker images.
21:19 poiki-at-home
More or less
21:19 poiki-at-home
And it is just crazy to setup stuff without Docker...
21:20 poiki-at-home
Ok, I could try vagrant once again
21:20 poiki-at-home
But anyway, this is a fork. And I don't know if 5.1.0-RC1 is usable
21:22 poiki-at-home
(Kind of fork because of issues like #5274)
21:23 poiki-at-home
Alright guys, I need to cut it here for today. Need to get some private stuff sorted before bedding time.
21:23 poiki-at-home
Cu all tomorrow
21:23 pdurbin
bye!
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21:29 pameyer
pdurbin did advocate for payara - my impression was that the thinking was that gf4.1 -> gf5 would be a smaller chunk.
21:29 pdurbin
yeah
21:30 pameyer
the details of the spike for the upgrade are still tbd, but sounded like htere was a reasonable chance to get some investigation/measurement of payara
21:30 pdurbin
pameyer did a good job of advocating for that
21:34 pameyer
I do have a knee-jerk tendency towards "let's measure this thing that might be useful but we don't know"
21:36 pdurbin
good tendency
21:38 pdurbin
I'm asking the guys in #glassfish about Eclipse Glassfish: https://javabot.evanchooly.com/logs/%23glassfish/2018-11-20
21:55 pdurbin
There's a guy in there using the MicroProfile Config API on Payara.
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