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06:20 juancorr joined #dataverse
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06:59 YSF57
Hi everyone I hope you're fine and @pdurbin. Yes can you please tell me some tips and tricks? (sorry to answer late I live in belgium there is the time difference)
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09:30 pdurbin
YSF57 YSF5739: sure! Ready?
09:36 pdurbin
juancorr: hi! Did you see that I closed my old pull request and opened a new one?
09:46 juancorr
Yes, thank you @pdurbin. Now we can embed the external tools content in the Dataverse, but there are some issues to solve yet.
09:46 pdurbin
Yep. :)
09:58 pdurbin
juancorr: have you heard from Humberto? I haven't.
10:03 juancorr
Last Thursday, all "Grupo tecnico Iberoamericano de Dataverse" members had a hangout meeting. I have not found the encoding problem that Humbeto had mentioned and we had talked about it.
10:05 juancorr
We have the data in a local machine and they have the data in Amazon. It is the only diference that we have found in our Data Explorer installations.
10:20 pdurbin
Great! Does the group need anything from me or anyone at IQSS? Eventually I changed https://help.hmdc.harvard.edu/Ticket/Display.html?id=281624 to "stalled" because no one answered. :)
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11:44 juancorr
Thanks, I will question it to the group because there are some institutions that are in a initial phase but another are almost in production.
11:45 poikilotherm
Good morning America.
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11:53 pdurbin_m
juancorr: awesome. How many of them are on the map at https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-installations ?
11:53 pdurbin_m
poikilotherm: morning. How'd the talk go?
11:55 poikilotherm
Nice 'n' smooth
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12:04 juancorr
@pdurbin, we are only five institutions now, but we hope to have new collaboratros in the short term. Repositorio de Datos de Investigación Universidad del Rosario, Pontificia Universidad Católica del Perú and, of curse, e-cienciaDatos are on the map.
12:05 pdurbin_m
juancorr: ok, so only one is missing?
12:06 pdurbin_m
poikilotherm: great. What's in focus now?
12:11 juancorr
Two of them, The Universidad of Chile (http://datos.uchile.cl/) and the Universidade de Aveiro are not in the map. The Universidade de Aveiro want to fix some requirements before launch its Dataverse
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12:20 pdurbin_m
juancorr: thanks. Do you know what their requirements are?
12:29 pdurbin_m
"Modificado por SISIB" is interesting. :)
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12:52 pdurbin_m
donsizemore: morning!
12:53 poikilotherm
pdurbin_m: if you are interested: https://juser.fz-juelich.de/record/865994
12:54 poikilotherm
Oh - just noticed it's not open access... :-( Will need to figure out why
12:56 pdurbin_m
poikilotherm: does it relate to https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/files/3744336/codemeta.tsv.txt ?
12:58 poikilotherm
Kind of. I mention codemeta in it and that Dataverse is going to support it
12:58 poikilotherm
(Also mentioning CITATION.cff)
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13:04 juancorr41
@pdurbin, they are not technicals requirements yet.
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13:13 pdurbin
juancorr: ok, thanks.
13:19 pdurbin
poikilotherm: CITATION.cff is something you mentioned in https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/2739#issuecomment-437012724
13:20 pdurbin
I could swear it's also mentioned in one of the links from this talk I gave (the one you attended) but the link I think it's in is now a 404: https://dataverse.org/presentations/research-software-and-dataverse
13:24 pdurbin
There it is. Slide 11. I guess I should have linke to this instead: https://github.com/IQSS/datafest/blob/361acaf79a20d87966d34f01ed85e73c9c10ff75/DataFest-2019/software-preservation-attribution/DBouquin_slides_citesoftware_012319.pdf
13:24 pdurbin
poikilotherm: ^^
13:25 pdurbin
what a pain when links turn into 404s
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13:29 poikilotherm
Yeah.
13:29 poikilotherm
That's a really cool presentation
13:30 poikilotherm
Maybe I should start a collection with JabRef
13:32 pdurbin
I forget what JabRef is.
13:32 pdurbin
Should it integrate with Dataverse? :)
13:32 poikilotherm
"Graphical Java application for managing bibtex (.bib) databases."
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13:33 poikilotherm
http://www.jabref.org/
13:36 pdurbin
Ah, it's a bibtex thing. At least Dataverse exports to bibtex. So maybe there's a potential integration there. :)
13:39 pdurbin
pmauduit: are you around?
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13:43 sherry
@pdurbin let me know when you have time to brain storm over dataverse-installation map documentation. I can set up zoom
13:46 poikilotherm
Guys, gotta go pick up kids
13:46 pmauduit
pdurbin: yes, kindof
13:46 poikilotherm
See you
13:47 pmauduit
not very active around these days, we are still waiting for feedback of our customer who has some issues deploying the docker compo we provided
13:47 pmauduit
the person in charge switched job in the meantime
13:48 pdurbin
pmauduit: ah, ok
13:48 pdurbin
sherry: hi! Do have time for a phone call or a video chat?
13:49 sherry
pdurbin: yes video chat is good
13:50 pdurbin
Any preference? Google? Skype? WhatsApp?
13:50 sherry
I'm shlakeuva on Skype.
13:51 pdurbin
I'm greptilian on Skype. I just sent you a message.
13:52 pdurbin
"no mutual contacts"?!? we should get you connected to Slava on Skype :)
15:06 donsizemore
@pdurbin good morning! (sorry, migrating storage today)
15:52 pdurbin
donsizemore: sorry, chatting with Sherry on Skype. You were the second member of dataverse-installations-admin and now she's the third!
17:53 donsizemore
@pdurbin have you seen Google's Kaggle (and https://datastudio.google.com ) ? Akio is asking about it
17:59 pdurbin
I haven't seen this. Are you saying Data Studio is Google's version of Kaggle?
17:59 donsizemore
@pdurbin it may be Google's Code Ocean
18:02 pdurbin
oh!
18:02 pdurbin
That reminds me that I should write up my "things like Code Ocean" data into a spreadsheet.
18:05 pdurbin
Sid being one of them. Have I talked about Sid?
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18:43 poikilotherm
Evening guys :-)
18:43 poikilotherm
Anyone still around on a Friday?
19:07 pdurbin
poikilotherm: yeah, was just talking to kcondon about the microsoft active directory pull request
19:07 poikilotherm
:-)
19:07 poikilotherm
I'm not feeling very well, so I spend the eveninig on my couch, thinking about Dataverse
19:09 pdurbin
Dataverse is always good for what ails you.
19:10 poikilotherm
:-D
19:10 poikilotherm
Dr. Dataverse
19:10 poikilotherm
I wonder if you came across https://blog.readthedocs.com/building-docs-for-pull-requests/ yet
19:11 pdurbin
nope
19:13 poikilotherm
I've been thinking about version support via Github Pages and came to the conclusion it might be a though job due to the necessary git bits of it
19:13 poikilotherm
Looking at Sphinx I thought about "what does readthedocs offer for that?"
19:17 pdurbin
tough job
19:17 poikilotherm
Thx
19:18 poikilotherm
I would be a real jawbreaker with that "th" in front :-D
19:21 poikilotherm
Thinking about creating a test balloon for dataverse-kubernetes on readthedocs...
19:21 poikilotherm
I do like their version support, which would be what you have been looking for
19:21 pdurbin
"Yes, English can be weird. It can be understood through tough thorough thought, though." https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/594168269759623168?lang=en
19:23 poikilotherm
Yeah
19:25 poikilotherm
It's fascinating how different pronunciation is for very similar words
19:26 poikilotherm
https://twitter.com/MauriceMeilleur/status/596051790396796928
19:28 pdurbin
nice
19:32 pdurbin
poikilotherm: how do you feel about adding *future* installations to "crowdsourced spreadsheet" at https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-installations ?
19:32 poikilotherm
oh I know a good candidate
19:34 pdurbin
How'd the demo go? You did a demo of Dataverse?
19:34 poikilotherm
Shouldn't that spreadsheet contain coordinates, too?
19:34 poikilotherm
Nope, just talking about publication and mentioning the future service
19:34 poikilotherm
No time for demo
19:34 pdurbin
bummer
19:35 pdurbin
Eventually it will. I put a note about that in the README.
19:36 poikilotherm
What's that plan about "crowdsourced"? Write access for anyone?
19:36 pdurbin
No. I should close that issue with a summary of the Skype call Sherry and I had this morning.
19:37 poikilotherm
?
19:37 poikilotherm
Issue?
19:37 poikilotherm
That's what you can read in the README of master branch
19:38 pdurbin
nope
19:38 pdurbin
or at least I don't see what you're talking about :)
19:38 pdurbin
I'm talking about closing https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-installations/issues/18
19:38 poikilotherm
"The goal is to move as much information as possible to the crowdsourced spreadsheet."
19:40 poikilotherm
Hmm. I see
19:40 poikilotherm
May I place a suggestion?
19:40 pdurbin
please!
19:41 pdurbin
Maybe I'm using the word crowdsourced wrong. I mean people in the crowd that I trust. :)
19:41 pdurbin
Like Sherry who is now committing to master. :)
19:41 pdurbin
and donsizemore of course
19:42 poikilotherm
Thinking about the workflow here. New installation wants to get on the map. So what are they supposed to do? Create an issue? Just add themselves to the crowdsourced spreadsheet? The process isn't very clear. And they cannot provide much information now.
19:42 donsizemore
never trust a donsizemore
19:42 poikilotherm
So what about creating a Google Form
19:42 poikilotherm
That will ask people for all the shiny details
19:42 poikilotherm
It then can put that information into the IQSS maintained list
19:42 pdurbin
poikilotherm: well, this is the (new) issue about getting new installations on the map: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-installations/issues/17
19:43 poikilotherm
You'll need to create a new commit anyway.
19:43 pdurbin
and here is a summary of the 90 minute Skype call if anyone is interested: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-installations/issues/1#issuecomment-546401872
19:44 pdurbin
Issue 17 is probably a good place to talk up that idea.
19:44 pdurbin
My intention is for this to be the community's map, not mine. :)
19:48 poikilotherm
Well, some sort of moderation seems like a good idea
19:48 poikilotherm
So it doesn't get spammed
19:49 poikilotherm
I wonder if one could create a pullrequest just like you can create issues from a google form
19:49 poikilotherm
https://medium.com/@01010111/using-google-forms-to-submit-github-issues-efdb5f876b
19:50 poikilotherm
Having a nice form to create the entry might help people get their data in
19:52 pdurbin
I'm thinking new installations should just open an issue.
19:52 pdurbin
And once they're on the map we can close the issue.
19:53 poikilotherm
Really crazy idea: create an issue template for this. Create script to read data from all issues labeled by that template and labeld as patroled by an admin. Generate data.json from that. Updates happen in issues by the community
19:54 poikilotherm
The author of the issue can change the data, admins can, but no one else
19:54 pdurbin
Ah, sure, an issue template would be great. Have you seen https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/6227 ?
19:54 poikilotherm
Yes.Pretty amazing what you can do with Github these days
19:55 pdurbin
I liked Waffle but I'm glad we moved to GitHub Projects. Finally, I've been able to implement Druthers.
20:04 poikilotherm
pdurbin I wonder if I should work on a PR for that API call regarding temporary API tokens. That's a total spare time thing and I do have some spare time now
20:11 poikilotherm
HIhihi, just saw http://github.com/poikilotherm/dataverse/blob/develop/src/main/java/edu/harvard/iq/dataverse/authorization/AuthenticationServiceBean.java#L445-L449
20:25 pdurbin
yeah
20:26 pdurbin
I'm not sure what API call you mean.
20:26 pdurbin
And it's getting late on a Friday here.
20:27 poikilotherm
https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/6286
20:28 poikilotherm
Already started hacking https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/6319
20:28 poikilotherm
Err... that was my recent output of hacking, I did not start to hack on a refactor for that issue
20:32 poikilotherm
pdurbin what do you think makes more sense: create an API endpoint for loading the data or refactor API token generation and have an admin endpoint for quick expiring tokens?
20:32 pdurbin
Your comment about spare time makes me realize that all the stuff in your todo column on my board is work: https://github.com/orgs/IQSS/projects/3#column-5999026 . You should absolutely hack on whatever is for you. :)
20:32 poikilotherm
Yeah ;-)
20:33 poikilotherm
I choose 6286, as it would help you with dataverse-sample-data
20:33 poikilotherm
That's definitly not a primary target for my day job :-D
20:33 pdurbin
What about this issue: Dataverse installations as a tabular file (CSV or TSV)
20:34 pdurbin
taking the new data.json file and making a tsv out of it
20:35 poikilotherm
Link?
20:35 poikilotherm
Context?
20:35 poikilotherm
Ah installations
20:35 * poikilotherm
goes ooking
20:35 pdurbin
poikilotherm: well, for now, please look at these two screenshots: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-installations/issues/5#issuecomment-510051118
20:36 poikilotherm
Meh. Wann hack Java stuff :-D
20:36 poikilotherm
+a
20:36 pdurbin
ok, lets get you hacking on quarkus
20:36 poikilotherm
But I understand that's work for you ;-)
20:36 poikilotherm
LOL
20:36 pdurbin
Please try this: http://wiki.greptilian.com/java/quarkus/
20:37 poikilotherm
Yeah that really sounds fancy
20:40 pdurbin
poikilotherm: you can hear me ask how easy it would be to move Dataverse to Quarkus at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9P7p3HF72U&t=2471
20:40 pdurbin
That was the talk that inspired me to try out Quarkus for myself and write up that page in my wiki.
20:42 pdurbin
This week I asked him to put up his slides and he did: https://www.slideshare.net/DanielOh20/devconfus-2019quarkus-brings-serverless-to-java-developers
20:44 poikilotherm
Hmm. His answer is a bit hard to understand due to the noisy sound
20:44 poikilotherm
If I got it right, there are paid tools to help you migrate
20:44 pdurbin
Yeah, it sure is. It was hard in the room too. That's why I invited him to give a talk at IQSS. We're trying to schedule it. :)
20:44 poikilotherm
IN about 3 to 4 hours for a senior java dev
20:45 poikilotherm
What I believe is not part of that calculation: pretty sure this needs to get off ancient things first ;-)
20:45 poikilotherm
Like old JSF
20:45 pdurbin
yeah
20:45 poikilotherm
Or Pitfalls in the code like the validation thing I found
20:46 pdurbin
I think you should play around with https://github.com/quarkusio/quarkus-quickstarts/tree/master/hibernate-orm-resteasy which is the one I wrote about in my wiki.
20:46 poikilotherm
Man, docker hub is flaky these days. Tried to pull the image 3 times now
20:47 poikilotherm
Had troubles the day before yesterday using the hub page for the images
20:48 pdurbin
bummer
20:50 poikilotherm
Hooray, DB listeing
20:50 poikilotherm
WOW
20:50 poikilotherm
Quarkus is fast
20:50 pdurbin
:)
20:51 poikilotherm
Ok it's a very small app
20:51 poikilotherm
Nonetheless
20:51 poikilotherm
No app server starting etc
20:51 pdurbin
Wait until you add GraalVM and compile the app as a native binary.
20:52 pdurbin
I had to try it myself to believe the startup time.
20:57 poikilotherm
While I wait for the Graal VM to download...
20:57 poikilotherm
Would it be ok to repeat my question?
20:58 poikilotherm
Its 3 minutes to home time for you, right?
20:58 pdurbin
30
20:59 poikilotherm
:-D
21:01 poikilotherm
Uh oh. Github is slow at home... Loading at 30KB/s
21:02 poikilotherm
Ok to be fair: it's amazon aws
21:08 pdurbin
gotta run and demo my side project, have a good weekend!
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