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00:00 pdurbin
poikilotherm: I like that! PR Guy!
06:43 pdurbin
tinystoat: both Erika and my sister-in-law *LOVE* the lemon you drew! Please check this out: https://i.imgur.com/AGvNlTs.png
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10:03 Benjamin_Peuch
Hello everybody.
10:03 Benjamin_Peuch
DataCite seems to have issues right now.
10:03 Benjamin_Peuch
We can't publish datasets either on our own Dataverses or on demo.dataverse.org.
10:04 Benjamin_Peuch
Does anyone experience the same problem?
10:04 Benjamin_Peuch
The error message reads: "Error – This dataset may not be published due to an error when contacting the DataCite Service. Please try again. If you believe this is an error, please contact Demo Dataverse Support for assistance."
10:37 tinystoat
pdurbin: haha thanks for sharing that. glad that brought some joy in the world. sad news i'm afraid that my gimp skills are not up to the job of face swapping. would have been fun.
10:51 Benjamin_Peuch
DataCite solved the issues apparently. Champagne!
11:01 pdurbin
tinystoat: ok, but could you put the Dataverse logo in a frying pan using Inkscape? At an NIH meeting the other week, the quote was something like "data is the new bacon and code is the frying pan." Big laffs. It would be fun to have something like this for a slide!
11:01 pdurbin
Benjamin_Peuch: cheers!
11:02 tinystoat
pdurbin: that is probably within my scope and shouldn't take too long.
11:02 pdurbin
tinystoat: nice! Thank you!!
11:02 tinystoat
my pleasure.
11:02 pdurbin
My take on that NIH meeting: http://blog.greptilian.com/2020/02/14/love-data-week/
11:03 tinystoat
i use nih research information often so this is interesting to me.
11:03 tinystoat
thanks much!
11:05 Benjamin_Peuch
pdurbin: I'm sure your office dog (Davies, right?) will approve of this.
11:05 pdurbin
Davis
11:06 pdurbin
Benjamin_Peuch: I already told you, we're not allowed to feed Davis! It will only make matters worse!
11:06 pdurbin
Except Kevin.
11:06 Benjamin_Peuch
But he gave me the puppy dog eyes, pdurbin. :'(
11:06 Benjamin_Peuch
How can I resist?
11:07 pdurbin
tinystoat: oh, right. I forgot to mention. We're going to need a hell of a lot of artwork about Davis. Can you draw a dog?
11:08 tinystoat
pdurbin: this is the dataverse logo, correct? http://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/dataverse-community-meeting/files/dataverse_project_logo.png?m=1423621980
11:08 pdurbin
tinystoat: there's an svg. Please hold.
11:08 tinystoat
that's fine, that will work perfectly for use in inkscape, then.
11:08 pdurbin
tinystoat: actually, maybe you can help interpret what Oliver was saying about it the other day.
11:09 pdurbin
(something about fonts)
11:09 tinystoat
yeah i can't find the svg myself.
11:09 pdurbin
tinystoat: does this make any sense to you? http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dataverse/2020-02-20#i_119047
11:10 tinystoat
how realistic must this dog look?
11:10 pdurbin
It must resemble Davis!
11:11 pdurbin
tinystoat: This is Davis: https://github.com/djbrooke
11:11 pdurbin
But in SVG form!
11:11 tinystoat
oh actually that is probably do-able. :)
11:11 pdurbin
tinystoat: but don't worry, I have another crazy idea: https://github.com/bayubayu/opensource-design/issues/1
11:11 tinystoat
and if you can find an svg of the dataverse logo that will be most helpfu.
11:12 pdurbin
Ok but let me first copy and paste the thing that was confusing to me. It's pretty short. And dense, for me. :)
11:12 pdurbin
"I used the official Dataverse logo for that. And the SVG containing it only has pathes, no font information left. So I had to reverse-engineer ;-)"
11:13 pdurbin
What does that mean?
11:13 pdurbin
Oh, there's more: "Once I had the fonts, I could add the other text elements ;-)"
11:13 pdurbin
I'm embarrassed to say that his project was this: http://blog.greptilian.com/2020/01/06/chief-community-officer/
11:13 pdurbin
Completely unsanctioned.
11:13 tinystoat
oh i don't really care about font information as long as the paths are there to represent the letters.
11:14 tinystoat
that is a damn nice existential piece of validation there.
11:14 pdurbin
Found it! https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/blob/v4.19/src/main/webapp/resources/images/dataverse_project_logo.svg
11:15 pdurbin
tinystoat: I carry it around everywhere I go.
11:15 tinystoat
too right.
11:16 tinystoat
pdurbin: i forgot to warn you before all of this i am no designer.
11:16 tinystoat
i've done icons and other tut for folks but i'm actually a backend / frontend person who has a hobby and love for inkscape.
11:16 tinystoat
just in case.
11:18 tinystoat
that is a very nice and clean svg, whomever did that did a great job
11:19 tinystoat
also i warn you i am only decent with flat design.
11:20 * pdurbin
loves flat design
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11:22 tinystoat
same to be honest
11:23 pdurbin
tinystoat: actually, you'll have more impact in this community and beyond if you SVG -ize an image from The Turing Way. Here are a few to give you an idea: https://github.com/alan-turing-institute/the-turing-way/blob/master/workshops/book-dash/figures/book_dash_ldn_art.jpg
11:24 pdurbin
But "data is the new bacon and code is the frying pan" with a Dataverse logo still sounds fun to me. :)
11:26 pdurbin
tinystoat: actually, I should find you an even better picture of Davis. I can remember it but... if one I had some software to store images in that I could tag with metadata like "Davis".
11:30 tinystoat
pdurbin: yeah this one requires foreshortening but i'll see how i do for that.
11:43 tinystoat
pdurbin: is the turing style to be used for davis and the frying pan idears or?
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12:02 pdurbin
tinystoat: sorry, I'm throwing too much at you at once! What do you feel like working on? Dataverse in a frying pan? Is that ok?
12:03 pdurbin
ooo maybe you could alter the dataverse logo a bit to look like bacon!
12:03 tinystoat
pdurbin: hehe dataverse and davis are great for now. :D i was thinking the same thing.
12:03 tinystoat
bacon dataverse in a stylish and contrasting iron skillet.
12:04 pdurbin
Yes!
12:04 pdurbin
tinystoat: oh, do you use https://irc.gitter.im ? I do. :)
12:04 tinystoat
pdurbin: no i am 100% irc.
12:05 tinystoat
oh so is that!
12:05 tinystoat
:D
12:05 tinystoat
oh seems you need to have github. i don't like to connect my business github with irc related. might create a new account for gitter in future.
12:06 tinystoat
past irc drama has forced me to keep work and other wholly separate.
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12:11 pdurbin
gotcha
12:11 pdurbin
Yeah, I have multiple Google accounts. I understand.
12:13 tinystoat
sometimes people get a little crazy out there. :D
12:13 tinystoat
no matter how nice/helpful one can be.
12:23 pdurbin
tinystoat: yeah. Oh, hey. Erika's eating breakfast before school and she's wondering if she can get her hands on an SVG version of the lemon.
12:24 pdurbin
I told her I'd ask. :)
12:32 pdurbin
If he says yes can someone please ask tinystoat to upload the SVG to https://demo.dataverse.org and look at the "terms" stuff. The whole CC0 thing that Benjamin_Peuch and poikilotherm are so wound up about. :)
12:32 tinystoat
pdurbin: absolutely. please tell her i would have liked to have done better/more but alas i also wanted to get it done in a super short amount of time. i wish her have a good time with that. http://74.207.244.18/~boop/pdurbin/
12:34 pdurbin
Aw, it's called drawing_lemons_01_erika.svg. Thank you, tinystoat! Any thoughts on CC0 vs CC-BY or public domain or whatever? What's common in your world?
12:38 tinystoat
pdurbin: that's a can of worms for me. i've seen what was supposed to be for the common good be turned into ways to tie hands and given control to entities that shouldn't be. so something like "open source" doesn't mean anything to me anymore because that has been co-opted. i'm sorry i can't provide specific examples but i simply don't have time to dig through links and browser history like i used
12:38 tinystoat
to. i find a lot of things dubious that were supposed to be for the common good so i am cautious regarding various things. i often stress CAVEAT EMPTOR for anything.
12:39 tinystoat
i also stress reading the fine print, putting in the time to actually do that for things. we read food labels first and every time for example.
12:40 tinystoat
i'm sorry this is a rather vague answer but something this sophisticated needs an explicit answer which can go on for a long time. just thought i'd through my general feelings and experiences out there.
12:40 pdurbin
tinystoat: well, to be concrete, do I have permission from you to upload drawing_lemons_01_erika.svg to http://wiki.greptilian.com/inkscape/ ? What about credit and attribution?
12:41 tinystoat
pdurbin: hey you absolutely do have permission. i like the copyme[me] thing myself which i means: take this and run with it. attribution is always nice and i do name sources for my own stuff even when the person says they don't care. so really it's up to you. :D
12:42 tinystoat
and we have a log here in case there are any problems!
12:43 tinystoat
+which i say means
12:53 Benjamin_Peuch
We are not alone, pdurbin.
12:53 Benjamin_Peuch
We are legion.
12:56 tinystoat
pdurbin: apologies for the long answer i see what you were asking now. it wasn't a general question. :D
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13:19 pdurbin
tinystoat: sorry, are you saying "copyme[me]" is a thing?
13:21 Jim63
@Alexandre-FGV - FWIW QDR has Shib on a machine that can be accessed by two DNS names. Only one of those is in the certificate (Subject Alternative Name is 'DNS Name=data.qdr.syr.edu'). Shib works going from that IP address and fails trying to login from the other.
13:21 pdurbin
Jim63: thanks. donsizemore and I will try to get that message to him. :)
13:21 pdurbin
and poikilotherm
13:22 pdurbin
It's no fair that I'm "Mr. Shib" and poikilotherm gets to be "Mr. OIDC." OIDC is a next generation repository technology and I'm a dinosaur!
13:23 tinystoat
pdurbin: i learned it from an old friend of mine on irc years ago but i haven't been able to find it when searching so perhaps it is not. it stuck with me so i've tried to pass it on. if it's not a thing don't worry about it.
13:23 pdurbin
tinystoat: phew!
13:23 tinystoat
:D
13:24 donsizemore
@Jim63 FQDNs matter!
13:24 donsizemore
@pdurbin morning, got a sec?
13:31 Benjamin_Peuch
pdurbin: Like the Reservoir Dogs characters complaining about their assigned alises, Mr Brown, Mr Pink... :p
13:31 Benjamin_Peuch
+a
13:37 donsizemore
@Benjamin_Peuch to respond to your earlier question, we get intermittent 403 responses from DataCite decently often
13:38 pdurbin
donsizemore: only if you send me a Zoom link
13:42 pdurbin
but hurry 'cause I gotta get my butt to work
13:43 pdurbin
This was me yesterday biking all the girl scout cookies the IQSSers bought (thanks!) to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLHXwC7lkas
13:45 donsizemore
@pdurbin this can wait (finally looking into Slava's weblate cert)
13:47 pdurbin
go go go!
13:48 pdurbin
just like I just said at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/dataverse-dev/07dyNe5BvJA/oHQ3DXhbAwAJ
13:48 pdurbin
poikilotherm: ^^
13:57 pdurbin
Youssef_Ouahalou: can you please tell me what this says? https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/ #
13:57 pdurbin
d'oh!
13:57 pdurbin
Youssef_Ouahalou: can you please tell me what this says? https://twitter.com/carenes/status/1234819111248633856
13:57 pdurbin
that's better
13:57 pdurbin
or pmauduit or Benjamin_Peuch or jri
13:58 Youssef_Ouahalou
of course wait
13:58 pdurbin
Youssef_Ouahalou: thanks. I think it's a comparison of data repositories. Can you please link them to https://github.com/data2health/repository-and-index-software ?
13:58 pdurbin
because poikilotherm and I have been leaving comments on that spreadsheet in recent days
14:07 Benjamin_Peuch
pdurbin: It seems that you already understood her message, but there you go: "The idea is to draw a comparison of a certain number of existing tools (Dataverse, Samvera, etc.) and to cross-reference this with user feedback, in order to offer ad hoc solutions according to our needs. Something along the lines of Zenodo, but it's too early to tell..."
14:07 Benjamin_Peuch
Youssef_Ouahalou is going to forward your link to Ms Arènes.
14:07 Benjamin_Peuch
By the way, wow!! That Google spreadsheet is really impressive.
14:08 Benjamin_Peuch
That's an expansive classification if I've ever seen any.
14:14 pmauduit
my translation would not have been as accurate as Benjamin_Peuch :)
14:17 poikilotherm
Remember that one time you've gone away do some screencast recording how to login and the chat explodes?
14:23 donsizemore
@poikilotherm I wondered if you had a holiday =) (or maybe I just want me to have one)
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15:28 donsizemore
@pdurbin bzzzt. you can generate *.dataverse.org certs, yes?
15:28 donsizemore
@pdurbin though that may not help in this instance
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16:02 pdurbin
donsizemore: but I've never done a star cert! Is it hard?! Lawsy!
16:03 pdurbin
Youssef_Ouahalou: please tell Benjamin I confess. I cheated. Translate button.
16:05 Youssef_Ouahalou
hahaha i would tell him, i hope he will forgive you
16:13 donsizemore
@pdurbin the reason i ask is that, while i remember slava using some pkcs stuff last i looked, now docker-compose.yml specifies https://hub.docker.com/r/steveltn/https-portal
16:14 donsizemore
@pdurbin which is fine and works, but my browser treats the issuer as untrusted
16:19 donsizemore
@pdurbin this is for weblate.dataverse.org so no star cert necessary
16:19 donsizemore
@pdurbin i just think i can do it more simply in plain ole' nginx if i had certs
16:44 pdurbin
donsizemore: I'll mint ya a cert alright. Shoot me a CSR.
16:44 pdurbin
donsizemore: can you please put it in an issue at https://github.com/GlobalDataverseCommunityConsortium/weblate-docker ?
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17:25 pameyer
@donsizemore - is it intentional that https://jenkins.dataverse.org/job/IQSS-dataverse-develop/ treats failing and erroring tests the same?
18:20 donsizemore
@pameyer welcome! um, depends on where the failure presents, but in general, no
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19:17 pameyer
I only noticed in passing (was doing some metadata block work, and ran integration tests by habit). 2 errors, 1 failure; checked jenkins.dataverse.org (and it was accessable :) )
19:17 pameyer
https://jenkins.dataverse.org/job/IQSS-dataverse-develop/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/edu.harvard.iq.dataverse.api/HarvestingServerIT/testOaiFunctionality/ and https://jenkins.dataverse.org/job/IQSS-dataverse-develop/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/edu.harvard.iq.dataverse.api/DatasetsIT/testCreatePublishDestroyDataset/ both show as errors locally, but jenkins seems to think they're failures
19:18 pameyer
not sure how deep into semantics it's worth going though
19:42 donsizemore
@pdurbin default exposed jmx metrics using https://github.com/prometheus/jmx_exporter https://payara5.odum.unc.edu/metrics
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20:51 pdurbin
pameyer: I was just talking about SBGrid federating data from structural biology all over the world with Globus and making it searchable and discoverable through your installation of Dataverse! And it was recorded so it will be coming soon to DataverseTV! This was during the Open Data Hub talk (Red Hat's Sid) at https://massopen.cloud/events/2020-open-cloud-workshop/ just now!
20:56 poikilotherm
donsizemore my glassfish flavors feature the same
20:57 poikilotherm
But why did you add it to payara?
20:57 poikilotherm
Microprofile already exposes things on /metrics out of the box...
21:10 pdurbin
poikilotherm: and at that meeting I think I convinced the speaker to fund your flights and hotels to #dataverse2020! But! There are several catches! Ready?
21:11 poikilotherm
Hit me
21:14 pdurbin
poikilotherm: first, some context. The talk was called "Open Data Hub Demo and discussion focused on Research Computing Facilitators and Researchers" and was given by Sherard Griffen from Red Hat. Please let me know if you have any questions after reading the abstract and bio at https://massopen.cloud/open-data-hub-demo-and-discussion-focused-on-research-computing-facilitators-and-researchers/ so we can
21:14 pdurbin
continue.
21:17 poikilotherm
pdurbin please continue, I am on my way home now. Will have to get some gas and be at home in about 40 minutes. Catching up later
21:18 pdurbin
No questions so far? Really? :)
21:19 pdurbin
Open Data Hub is brand new. I could at least link you to the poster they gave at #dataverse2019 if you want.
21:24 pdurbin
poikilotherm: come to think of it, a Zoom might be better, if you're willing. :)
21:26 poikilotherm
Sure, but please let me drive home first... I'm sitting in the car now, heading for a gas station
21:28 pdurbin
poikilotherm: sure, I need to go vote (don't forget andrewSC bjonnh bricas poikilotherm xarthisius yoh) but otherwise I'll be around. If we were to do voice only are you thinking WhatsApp? Signal?
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21:51 pameyer
pdurbin: sounds like you were at the MOC meeting, right?
21:59 poikilotherm
Just arrived...
21:59 poikilotherm
Vote? Me? For what?
21:59 poikilotherm
At home I'm happy with Zoom
22:01 poikilotherm
If you prefer Skype for a one on one, I could install that, too
22:06 pameyer
I'm still slighly cranky about skype wanting a birthday last time I looked at it
22:08 poikilotherm
I told them I'm old.
22:15 poikilotherm
pdurbin from what you send me I'll guess they want an Operator for Dataverse, that can be certified and make it run on OpenShift
22:33 poikilotherm
Oh welcome atrisovic. I saw your issue for dvcli, but forgive that I'll a response tomorrow. It's getting late here...
22:33 poikilotherm
+me
22:33 poikilotherm
+create
22:34 poikilotherm
pdurbin maybe we should postpone to tomorrow. Getting tired, missing words.
22:35 pameyer
my irc-fu is too weak to create an ascii-art world clock ... but it would be helpful somtimes
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23:01 pdurbin
poikilotherm: back from voting! Still awake? Or wait until morning? :)
23:01 poikilotherm
You're lucky... I was going to say good night
23:01 pdurbin
pameyer: yes, exactly. I hope the recording was ok and that my story about how awesome SBGrid is comes through?
23:02 pameyer
hope so - I'll check it out
23:02 pdurbin
poikilotherm: do I need to have Zoom installed to Zoom? Can you send me a link?
23:02 pdurbin
pameyer: well, it might be weeks :)
23:02 pdurbin
pameyer: actually, do you have time for this Zoom?
23:02 poikilotherm
pdurbin I installed Skype and already wrote to your nick
23:02 * pameyer
checks logs for what it's about
23:03 pdurbin
poikilotherm: do you mind if pameyer joins?
23:03 pdurbin
poikilotherm: I don't have Skype on any computers at home (where I am now). But my wife has Zoom on her laptop.
23:03 pdurbin
poikilotherm: actually, we could even record it!
23:03 poikilotherm
Whatever you guys would like to do... You'll have a tired poikilotherm but if you can handle that, I'm fine
23:03 pdurbin
And put it on DataverseTV!
23:04 pdurbin
poikilotherm: but you'll do the recording.
23:04 pdurbin
with zoom
23:04 pdurbin
ok?
23:04 * pdurbin
goes to grab the other laptop
23:04 poikilotherm
No. We can't. Way to tired, at home, messed up from construction work.
23:05 pdurbin
gotcha
23:05 pdurbin
poikilotherm: you should get some sleep. Now I sound like you! The tables are turned! MUHAHAHAH!
23:05 pameyer
it's _always_ time for that _somebody_ should be getting sleep ;)
23:06 pdurbin
Actually, I have another crazy idea.
23:06 pdurbin
pameyer: but we need a third? Who's awake? Or at least not sleepy?
23:06 pameyer
sending coffee over irc?
23:06 pdurbin
atrisovic! Of course!
23:06 pdurbin
And she's SLOPI!
23:07 pdurbin
Like me!
23:07 pameyer
atrisovic? new folks have been showing up :)
23:07 poikilotherm
pdurbin do you create a Harvard Zoom invite?
23:07 pdurbin
pameyer: atrisovic is the best! Please see https://github.com/poikilotherm/dvcli/issues/2
23:07 pdurbin
poikilotherm: yeah, Harvard Zoom.
23:08 pdurbin
poikilotherm: do you want me to host and record? You can just nod.
23:08 poikilotherm
Host yes, record no. :-D
23:08 pdurbin
no record, no donut
23:09 pdurbin
larsks is still at Red Hat I think. He could be our witness, pameyer.
23:09 pdurbin
I assume you know each other.
23:09 poikilotherm
Thanks, I'm fed. My wife made marvelous honey buns
23:10 pameyer
I must still be recovering from jet-lag - what do we need witnesses for, pdurbin?
23:10 pdurbin
poikilotherm: no, the crazy idea is Donut, SLOPI and Dataverse style! https://www.donut.com
23:10 pdurbin
pameyer: well, I have too much in my head to communicate to poikilotherm in text. I'm exhausted just thinking about it.
23:11 pameyer
gotcha - in that case, it maybe should wait until poikilotherm's not at risk of falling asleep?
23:11 pdurbin
pameyer: but you and larsks could join me for a recorded Zoom call (do you know each other?!? you should!) and I'll post it on DataverseTV tonight. poikilotherm will watch it in the morning.
23:11 pameyer
but crazy ideas are usually interesting
23:11 pdurbin
no no no
23:12 pameyer
sure - if it's quick-ish (I should be heading out soon)
23:12 pdurbin
poikilotherm doesn't want to be recorded. Who would when they're so sleepy. He'll just watch the recording at his leisure.
23:12 pameyer
;)
23:12 pdurbin
pameyer: ah, so I should show you Lean Coffee.
23:12 pdurbin
I need to get my daughter to Brookline High anyway. Another orientation tonight. My how time flies.
23:13 pdurbin
pameyer: just you and me then? Recorded? Lean Coffee? Message to poikilotherm in a bottle? When is our hard stop? 6:30?
23:13 pameyer
I'm still thinking 2015 was just a little while ago... ;)
23:13 pameyer
sure - zoom? 6:30
23:13 pameyer
no idea what Lean Coffee is
23:14 pameyer
stop at 6:30, I meant
23:14 pdurbin
I'll tell ya. Hold on I need to install Zoom.
23:17 pdurbin
pameyer: installed but I'm gonnna grab a beer quick. Still a hard stop at 6:30.
23:17 pameyer
pdurbin: sounds like a plan
23:20 pdurbin
pameyer: 10 minutes left if you click quick! https://harvard.zoom.us/j/988385106
23:23 pdurbin
pameyer: actually, I'll tell you the non-SLOPI news from Scott first.
23:38 larsks
pdurbin: what/where/when/how? Sorry, dinner time around here.
23:56 pdurbin
last crazy idea of the evening: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/1234990912268169216
