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04:04 dataverse-user
I have no idea what this is but why am i being charged out of my bank account
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04:08 dataverse-user
Why am i being charged
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08:54 pdurbin
I assume this person was talking about some other Dataverse. Trademark violation. Individual installations of Dataverse might charge for storage or curation or other services but the Dataverse Project itself is free and open source software.
09:17 pdurbin
Here's my idea of how to deal with this, an issue I just created: "create and link to crowdsourced spreadsheet indicating status of Dataverse trademark violations" https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/6722
09:17 pdurbin
To deal with BallBreaker and its ilk. :)
09:18 pdurbin
poikilotherm: I just checked my email and I don't see anything from you that I can forward to Sherard. Do you want funding for #dataverse2020 (the real one, not the cheap knock off) or not?!? :)
09:23 poikilotherm
pdurbin! Crazy MR Shib is in da house again at 4am! OMG
09:23 poikilotherm
pdurbin: I first have to make sure that everyone is ok with this... I talked to my wife and have permission to go :-D
09:25 poikilotherm
I sent my boss an email that I would like to talk about this, as I don't have an holidays left for this. I'm hoping they send me for a business trip when I have funding for it.
09:25 poikilotherm
I need my vacation days for construction and moving...
09:25 pdurbin
poikilotherm: she isn't going to kill you? Good! That's why I'm up. Need to get these dishes from last night before she wakes up and kills me! :)
09:25 poikilotherm
LOL
09:27 poikilotherm
And when my boss is ok with it, I'll ask people about where to stay and what works best for flights to make a budget plan...
09:27 poikilotherm
I'm sorry, but this will need some work before I can send you an email you can forward ;-)
09:27 pdurbin
Can we have your boss talk to Gary ( https://twitter.com/kinggary ) who will tell him or here that getting you here is part of our strategy for getting Dataverse in the OpenShift catalog and integrated with Open Data Hub? We need that operator!
09:27 pdurbin
You can't give me a number?
09:28 pdurbin
Gary told me Red Hat should give us $10 million.
09:28 pdurbin
Not just for your flights and hotel.
09:28 poikilotherm
Actually I think he is not in today...
09:28 pdurbin
For all kinds of stuff.
09:28 poikilotherm
LOL
09:28 poikilotherm
WHAT?
09:28 pdurbin
Red Hat gave Boston University a lot of money... that's why I've been at a conference at BU the last two days.
09:30 pdurbin
"Red Hat plans a broad educational and research collaboration with BU with grants totaling $5 million administered by BU’s Cloud Computing Initiative." https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-and-boston-university-collaborate-advance-emerging-technologies-and-open-source-research-and-education
09:30 pdurbin
Anyway, Sherard doesn't have 5 or 10 million to give us.
09:30 poikilotherm
LOL
09:30 pdurbin
But if you send me and email with a dollar amount for flights and a hotel, I will forward it to him when he and the rest of the east coast wake up.
09:31 poikilotherm
Maybe we should talk about this non-SLOPI in more details
09:31 poikilotherm
And maybe you could send him an email that I am currently investigating the details and beg for some time to get it done
09:31 pdurbin
So start looking at hotel prices, flight prices, please.
09:32 pdurbin
How about you email him? And tell him I sent you.
09:32 pdurbin
And once you two have settled on a dollar amount, bring me in. :)
09:32 poikilotherm
Sure. Would you connect us like you did with Rory?
09:33 pdurbin
sure
09:35 poikilotherm
Tiptop
09:37 poikilotherm
Oh nice I just learned that "tiptop" is just the same as in german. Wondering if this has been "germanized"
09:57 pdurbin
gesundheit
09:57 pdurbin
poikilotherm: sent! Longer that I expected.
09:59 pdurbin
I hope you enjoyed the non-SLOPI call last night! It was fun!
09:59 * pdurbin
goes back to listening to The Dataverse Data Curation Tool at https://dataverse.org/dataversetv while doing dishes.
10:00 pdurbin
Youssef_Ouahalou: there's a nice demo. You should watch it.
10:00 pdurbin
Benjamin_Peuch too.
10:00 pdurbin
tinystoat: how's the bacon this morning?
10:06 pdurbin
poikilotherm: here's the RSE video from vsoch I was telling you about last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka9IB6dMxAY . Your job is to watch it and get this it Pete somehow. And make him the chosen one to appear on her podcast if you won't: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/1234086140300451840
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10:12 poikilotherm
pdurbin: I really enjoyed it. You seemed really excited and in high spirits :-)
10:12 poikilotherm
I just sent a mail to him :-)
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11:11 poikilotherm
pdurbin: that video from vsoch is great :-)
11:11 poikilotherm
She does so many great things
11:11 poikilotherm
Remember that song she wrote?
11:18 tinystoat
pdurbin: unfortunately i haven't been able to come up with anything. i don't really have the design skills to think something up like that. also i'm afraid i'm going to have to withdraw from the dataverse project as my health and freelance work won't permit doing the work you'll need for dataverse related graphics. just yesterday i had to deal with some day long emergencies with a client that left me
11:18 tinystoat
no time for anything else.
11:19 tinystoat
thanks for thinking i'd make a positive addition to the project and i see it's a good one as well. :)
11:26 poikilotherm
Hi tinystoat - sorry to hear that. Wishing you all the best coping with your struggles!
11:27 poikilotherm
It's a pity - a gifted craftsman to create some amazing images for Dataverse would have been awesome, but I feel you.
11:30 pdurbin
tinystoat: no worries! https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/inkscape_user is SLOPI too so I'll see you there! Thanks again for the lemon drawing a cat! My daughter can't wait to sit down and hack on it in Inkscape but she's been too busy with homework! There's not enough time for creativity!
11:30 pdurbin
tinystoat: and I hope we can talk more in #openknot too. Great chat the other day: http://irclog.greptilian.com/openknot/2020-03-02
11:31 pdurbin
tinystoat: so I release you and hope you can return to us some day!
11:31 tinystoat
yeah i sadly don't feel very gifted and my workflow is incredibly slow on top even if i have the ideas so i'm afraid i would have unable to keep up with requests alongside the sudden needs of clients and health issues that i've had to deal with since i went freelance.
11:31 pdurbin
because we're doing great stuff:
11:32 pdurbin
- trying to save democracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irmBdiMCa84
11:32 tinystoat
pdurbin: that was a great pleasure to share something creative and that a young person can learn from that and perhaps use inkscape in her own life to do some amazing things.
11:32 pdurbin
- trying to help with Coronavirus: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/1234745588631166982
11:33 tinystoat
pdurbin: agreed, i was reading the various links you gave me before and i'm impressed with all of the hard work of the intelligent folks here. thanks for seeing i might have had some potential to be here with others.
11:33 tinystoat
yeah, that's a doozy!
11:33 pdurbin
- trying to have fewer gun deaths: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/1234990912268169216
11:33 tinystoat
yep yep i certainly don't need convincing. :D
11:33 pdurbin
- trying to #turnUpTheFun! https://github.com/bayubayu/opensource-design/issues/1 :)
11:34 pdurbin
The Dataverse community is full of smart people. World changing people.
11:34 pdurbin
We're here if you ever want to come back! :)
11:35 tinystoat
pdurbin: i'll pass that link around and see if anybody i'm affiliated with knows somebody who can help. if i hear anything back i'll definitely point them here asap. i see you have serious time constraints.
11:35 tinystoat
thanks much and all the best! will deffo hang in #openknot, thanks.
11:35 tinystoat
thanks folks! peace
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12:07 pdurbin
What a nice fellow.
12:09 pdurbin
Benjamin_Peuch poikilotherm at some point let's look at his statements regarding an SVG he crontributed and what his wishes were for terms of use and attribution. A good case study!
12:09 pdurbin
I had asked "well, to be concrete, do I have permission from you to upload drawing_lemons_01_erika.svg to http://wiki.greptilian.com/inkscape/ ? What about credit and attribution?" http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dataverse/2020-03-03#i_120293
12:09 pdurbin
He said, "hey you absolutely do have permission. i like the copyme[me] thing myself which i means: take this and run with it. attribution is always nice and i do name sources for my own stuff even when the person says they don't care. so really it's up to you. :D"
12:10 pdurbin
I said, "sorry, are you saying "copyme[me]" is a thing?"
12:10 pdurbin
And then he said, "i learned it from an old friend of mine on irc years ago but i haven't been able to find it when searching so perhaps it is not. it stuck with me so i've tried to pass it on. if it's not a thing don't worry about it."
12:11 pdurbin
So! If I deposit http://74.207.244.18/~boop/pdurbin/drawing_lemons_01_erika.svg into https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-sample-data (so new installations of Dataverse can play around with it), should it be CC0? CC-BY? Something else? How do we respect the author's wishes?
12:11 pdurbin
Benjamin_Peuch: perhaps you can ask Freya.
12:23 pdurbin
poikilotherm: thanks again for the graphiz code. I just pointed my friend to it: http://irclog.greptilian.com/openknot/2020-03-04
12:37 pdurbin
There is another, by the way. Someone who run Dataverse in production is a former graphic designer.
13:04 Benjamin_Peuch
Hey pdurbin! Sorry for my silence. And thanks for the link to the video about the Data Curation Tool. Looks very interesting indeed.
13:05 Benjamin_Peuch
Also pdurbin, I haven't followed that business with this .svg file in detail. Would you mind filling me in?
13:07 Benjamin_Peuch
Also, very clever advertising a Dataverse about COVID-19 :) Now is the time, certainly
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13:35 pdurbin
Benjamin_Peuch: hi! I was talking about "user story" if you will having to do with CC0, CC-BY, public domain, etc.
13:35 pdurbin
And as a curator, you are much better informed on these topics than I am.
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15:28 pdurbin
poikilotherm: if we had Gitter or RocketChat (SLOPI, Inkscape-style) I would create a channel called #crazyideas and the first question would be, "What does Dataverse have to do with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43dphUwpzo ?"
15:35 poikilotherm
pdurbin sure. :-)
15:52 pkiraly
well, as far as I know (maybe I am wrong) these kind of movie makers are responsible for the really crazy copyright laws (work is protected untill 70 years after the author's death))
16:10 donsizemore
@pkiraly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
16:26 poikilotherm
Crazy. It's 70 years here in Germany after the death of the author. But at least you have the exception of fair use. EU tried to get there recently but that didn't work out well...
16:51 pkiraly
poikilotherm, it is not just in Germany, all over EU
16:53 pkiraly
donsizemore: thanks for the link! I remember well ("Other parties that lobbied in favor of the Bono Act were Time Warner, ...")
18:26 pdurbin
No no no. You guys don't get it! Please check the "who's who" in here. I added a couple columns!
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19:33 pdurbin
donsizemore: beep boop. Are we on for 3pm
19:34 donsizemore
@pdurbin if you like? we now have https://payara5.odum.unc.edu/prometheus/graph?g0.range_input=1h&g0.expr=collectd_GenericJMX_memory&g0.tab=0
19:37 pdurbin
wat
19:37 pdurbin
lemme look
19:38 pdurbin
donsizemore: meanwhile, can you ask Gustavo if he has time or not? I'm happy to loop you in all the cray cray yesterday at https://massopen.cloud/events/2020-open-cloud-workshop/
19:40 donsizemore
@pdurbin ooh, i would've loved to have been there
19:44 donsizemore
@pdurbin gustavo says cancel unless something's pressing
19:44 pdurbin
Well, let's see. There's #turnUpTheFun, #chaoticGood, #datamaniacs. But all those can wait.
19:45 pdurbin
donsizemore: so I guess we'll cancel. Unless you have anything for me.
19:45 pdurbin
crap, it's taken! https://github.com/datamaniacs
19:47 pdurbin
Ok, who wants in on https://github.com/researchdatamanics ?
20:33 pdurbin
Whoops! I meant https://github.com/researchdatamaniacs :)
21:22 pdurbin
stupid brain
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https://gitter.im/Research-Data-Maniacs/community
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